@aynur. It’s obvious that you have some issues. I started my last post with (Everything doesn’t have to boil down to the hijab issue.) Now you’re writing again “By boiling down the religion to the headscarf alone, that is totally wrong” It’s so wrong, but you keep talking, and talking, and talking about it. This is either a lack of understanding on your part or your refusal to acknowledge what you read.
You’re all over the place here. Guidance is from Allah’s final revelation the Qur’an and Hadiths of the prophet (pbuh) so who said anything about Greek practices? Try to stay focused. In early Islam Muslims *were allowed* to drink alcohol, so what’s your point? Look you’re trying to be selective. The Qur’an was revealed to clear misconceptions of previous revelations and you’re living proof of that.
“There are many hijabis that spend a fortune on makeup. Isn’t that to look attractive??” Yes, and if its for her husband it’s allowed, if its in public then she’s made an error, doesn’t mean she’s not practicing. The issue of covering as a part of practice was settled over 1400 years ago whether you accept it or not.
“The reason I'm replying again is it is annoying that you are associating covering with practicing.” But you didn’t find the post from Randolphslinky annoying enough to write even once, but you’re writing me repeatedly about covering hair? “Just because someone covers their hair, it doesn't mean they are automatically doing everything like praying, fasting, are honest, etc etc.” I never said it did, those are your words.
I also asked respectfully that we take this discussion off this site but you didn’t understand or acknowledge that either, sorry to say, but I have to question your intentions.
@aynur, sorry for the delay, but I don’t check here that often. Everything doesn’t have to boil down to the hijab issue. I’ve found that those who are not able to practice the religion, try to justify not wearing hijab by making this an issue and saying that’s it’s not in the Qur’an. The hijab is not an issue for practicing Muslim women, I repeat, the hijab is not an issue for practicing Muslim women, it’s a commandment.
No need to wonder, you’re doing the same thing a lot of people do. You’re looking specifically for words, the way you want to see them, not the way (context) Allah revealed them. Allah revealed the Qur’an specifically how he wanted, not how we wanted. So if you are (“truly trying to understand”) then let’s stop looking for specific words in a specific order and pray to Allah for understanding of the words that are there, because understanding is his alone. And no one can understand the Qur’an or any other book for that matter without his permission. Furthermore Allah was very specific he didn’t have to use the words head or hair in this ayat (verse) because it was already common practice for men and women to cover their hair from previous revelation, so they knew what they were being commanded to do. Many of the women today refuse to practice the way those women did so they’ve taken it off and talking about hijab is not in there. Trust me that’s not all they’ve taken off. “It’s not spelled out in black and white” to you? The Qur’an is not just a book it’s a miracle, it wouldn’t be much of a miracle if everything in it were spelled out in black and white for you would it? We all have to seek the knowledge of the Qur’an. What’s to assume? The amount of time and money women invests in beauty shops and hair care products every year is not to make them look unattractive.
And I’d like to point out that nothing in the Bible was written by Issa (Jesus) (pbuh). So what’s your point?
No disrespect intended
Can’t we take this conversation elsewhere? Again I really don’t think this was the intent of kpbs and These Days.
Now on to the second post, There is absolutely a misunderstanding on my part about Islam, as you can see I did get some help. Having been to several Muslims countries I can tell you that as a member of the armed forces and occupying somebody’s country and torturing them, makes it a miserable and dismal place. I can tell you most assuredly that if America were ever under the religious control of Islam it would be a better place to live. Then it would be great. The things I said here before, of course it offended the sensibilities of our very intelligent and fair minded members at kpbs and These Days. I simply ask that you think, read the book (Quran), and if you don’t understand it, don’t make up lies about it, then I guess it won’t make you look like you’re from a different planet socially like I did.
Randolphslinky, if you read the Quran and understood it, I think this is what you were trying to say.
No need to thank me, I heard your cry for help, People like you revert to Islam everyday of the week 365 days a year B, so don’t play yoself.
So I’m pleading with you to accept my invitation and exchange emails or even phone numbers with me if you would like to have a heart to heart dialog because obviously you have some concerns that no one else on this site were willing to address. I’m reaching out to you and that’s what practicing Muslims do. Again I’m pleading with you to cease this kind of talk and attack on the Quran and Islam on this site and any other site that we may not be aware of because it doesn’t reflect good on you or the good efforts of kpbs, These Days or this website. peace
Now randolphslinky, lighten up on the hate B, sounds like you need some love, a hug or something.
I think I can help you out here just a few typos nothing we can’t fix, lets see we’ll start with your first post. Here is what one needs to know about the Quran, beneath the rosy assurances from Muslims, the reality is that Islam is about peace and tolerance. Okay the one about the atheist, well, I’ll let you two decide who’s the better atheist, so lets move on. The Quran is most certainly not full of hate or hate speech and teaches that it is not oppressive, especially to women. Allah preaches in the Quran his plans for Muslims, sinners and animals. That torture part I think you meant to put in the second post with the Armed Forces part I remember reading and hearing something about that in the news recently. Anyway. Given this, western ideals, the Quran and those who follow such beliefs is compatible with Islam.
Regarding fpasha’s comment, mostly every non-practicing Muslims says that, so that makes your comments baseless. If non-practicing Muslims are blessed to become practicing Muslims then it suddenly appears? No, it was always there it’s just that with practicing we leave a life of denial and lies and enter into a life of truth and understanding. You see when people don’t want to do something they know they should, they start playing with the words and interpretations. The Christians do this as well, ask the Christians you meet if women should cover their hair is in the Bible, most will say no, probably after looking at you like you crazy for asking such a question. But it’s in there, no matter how many times they say its not. So you’re not alone.
Furthermore there’s a person leaving comments on this site using the name of randolphslinky, who is blatantly attacking the Quran and the beautiful religion of Islam, but interestingly you say nothing to randolphslinky, you single me out. Practicing Muslims know that it is an obligation upon each of us to defend the Quran and any distortions of its teachings so if you don’t understand that the chances of you understanding the parts about the hijab and modesty are equally as slim.
Listen, I’m aware of the fact that there is a big push out there to try to make Islam conform to today’s women but don’t get it twisted, it is today’s women and men who have to conform to Islam. Unfortunately sites like this give way to people distorting the truth, but they will fail just like the previous generations who tried, because Allah (God) has said he will protect the Quran himself, so his last and final revelation cannot and will not be changed by you, me or anybody else. Now, I didn’t single anybody out who left comments on this site until I was singled out, but to be courteous to others I invite you and anybody else who would like to discuss, not argue this issue further to exchange emails or even phone numbers with me because I don’t wish to go back and forth with anyone on this site as I don’t think this is the appropriate forum and this was not the aim of this site. As a practicing Muslim when I see a wrong I’m to try an change it, and that’s what I was trying to do with my original post. So singling me out for doing what I’m supposed to do, well, is a bit suspect and saying that my comment was baseless, that’s your opinion and Allah has surely made clear his position on opinions as well in the Quran.
No disrespect intended. Please pray for understanding, and I ask Allah (God) to forgive you and me for our own weaknesses and errors. Ameen
I would like to applaud kpbs and These Days for the effort. However a noticeable error on shows of this kind continues to be an over representation of non-practicing Muslims and an under representation of practicing Muslims and there is a big difference between the two. For example today’s show, in a community of about 80,000 Muslims you have not one but two non-practicing Muslims women to discuss an issue of such importance. This is part of the problem not part of the solution. When we hear about Muslim women being oppressed and discriminated against in Islam, the very shows echoing these falsehoods are in fact oppressing and discriminating against practicing Muslim women themselves by selecting non-practicing women over practicing. It’s also disrespectful and a disservice to have these two women attempt to tell us what life has been like as Muslims since 9/11, when most of the time most people don’t even know that they’re Muslims. Both women struggled with the question about their decision not to cover their hair for the obvious reason that they really don’t believe in the religion, I hope some day they will. So I humbly ask that this show and shows like this please spare us the college professors and wannabe’s trying to tell us what it’s like to do something that they themselves can’t even do. The caller Tasheen would have been a more qualified guest for this show as she is obviously practicing and probably would have made the show more meaningful. No disrespect intended.
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@aynur. It’s obvious that you have some issues. I started my last post with (Everything doesn’t have to boil down to the hijab issue.) Now you’re writing again “By boiling down the religion to the headscarf alone, that is totally wrong” It’s so wrong, but you keep talking, and talking, and talking about it. This is either a lack of understanding on your part or your refusal to acknowledge what you read.
You’re all over the place here. Guidance is from Allah’s final revelation the Qur’an and Hadiths of the prophet (pbuh) so who said anything about Greek practices? Try to stay focused. In early Islam Muslims *were allowed* to drink alcohol, so what’s your point? Look you’re trying to be selective. The Qur’an was revealed to clear misconceptions of previous revelations and you’re living proof of that.
“There are many hijabis that spend a fortune on makeup. Isn’t that to look attractive??” Yes, and if its for her husband it’s allowed, if its in public then she’s made an error, doesn’t mean she’s not practicing. The issue of covering as a part of practice was settled over 1400 years ago whether you accept it or not.
“The reason I'm replying again is it is annoying that you are associating covering with practicing.” But you didn’t find the post from Randolphslinky annoying enough to write even once, but you’re writing me repeatedly about covering hair? “Just because someone covers their hair, it doesn't mean they are automatically doing everything like praying, fasting, are honest, etc etc.” I never said it did, those are your words.
I also asked respectfully that we take this discussion off this site but you didn’t understand or acknowledge that either, sorry to say, but I have to question your intentions.
No disrespect intended
ishni
October 14, 2009 at 2:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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@aynur, sorry for the delay, but I don’t check here that often. Everything doesn’t have to boil down to the hijab issue. I’ve found that those who are not able to practice the religion, try to justify not wearing hijab by making this an issue and saying that’s it’s not in the Qur’an. The hijab is not an issue for practicing Muslim women, I repeat, the hijab is not an issue for practicing Muslim women, it’s a commandment.
No need to wonder, you’re doing the same thing a lot of people do. You’re looking specifically for words, the way you want to see them, not the way (context) Allah revealed them. Allah revealed the Qur’an specifically how he wanted, not how we wanted. So if you are (“truly trying to understand”) then let’s stop looking for specific words in a specific order and pray to Allah for understanding of the words that are there, because understanding is his alone. And no one can understand the Qur’an or any other book for that matter without his permission. Furthermore Allah was very specific he didn’t have to use the words head or hair in this ayat (verse) because it was already common practice for men and women to cover their hair from previous revelation, so they knew what they were being commanded to do. Many of the women today refuse to practice the way those women did so they’ve taken it off and talking about hijab is not in there. Trust me that’s not all they’ve taken off. “It’s not spelled out in black and white” to you? The Qur’an is not just a book it’s a miracle, it wouldn’t be much of a miracle if everything in it were spelled out in black and white for you would it? We all have to seek the knowledge of the Qur’an. What’s to assume? The amount of time and money women invests in beauty shops and hair care products every year is not to make them look unattractive.
And I’d like to point out that nothing in the Bible was written by Issa (Jesus) (pbuh). So what’s your point?
No disrespect intended
Can’t we take this conversation elsewhere? Again I really don’t think this was the intent of kpbs and These Days.
May Allah forgive us
September 29, 2009 at 10:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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Now on to the second post,
There is absolutely a misunderstanding on my part about Islam, as you can see I did get some help. Having been to several Muslims countries I can tell you that as a member of the armed forces and occupying somebody’s country and torturing them, makes it a miserable and dismal place. I can tell you most assuredly that if America were ever under the religious control of Islam it would be a better place to live. Then it would be great. The things I said here before, of course it offended the sensibilities of our very intelligent and fair minded members at kpbs and These Days. I simply ask that you think, read the book (Quran), and if you don’t understand it, don’t make up lies about it, then I guess it won’t make you look like you’re from a different planet socially like I did.
Randolphslinky, if you read the Quran and understood it, I think this is what you were trying to say.
No need to thank me, I heard your cry for help, People like you revert to Islam everyday of the week 365 days a year B, so don’t play yoself.
So I’m pleading with you to accept my invitation and exchange emails or even phone numbers with me if you would like to have a heart to heart dialog because obviously you have some concerns that no one else on this site were willing to address. I’m reaching out to you and that’s what practicing Muslims do. Again I’m pleading with you to cease this kind of talk and attack on the Quran and Islam on this site and any other site that we may not be aware of because it doesn’t reflect good on you or the good efforts of kpbs, These Days or this website.
peace
September 12, 2009 at 12:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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Now randolphslinky, lighten up on the hate B, sounds like you need some love, a hug or something.
I think I can help you out here just a few typos nothing we can’t fix, lets see we’ll start with your first post.
Here is what one needs to know about the Quran, beneath the rosy assurances from Muslims, the reality is that Islam is about peace and tolerance. Okay the one about the atheist, well, I’ll let you two decide who’s the better atheist, so lets move on. The Quran is most certainly not full of hate or hate speech and teaches that it is not oppressive, especially to women. Allah preaches in the Quran his plans for Muslims, sinners and animals. That torture part I think you meant to put in the second post with the Armed Forces part I remember reading and hearing something about that in the news recently. Anyway. Given this, western ideals, the Quran and those who follow such beliefs is compatible with Islam.
September 12, 2009 at 12:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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Regarding fpasha’s comment, mostly every non-practicing Muslims says that, so that makes your comments baseless. If non-practicing Muslims are blessed to become practicing Muslims then it suddenly appears? No, it was always there it’s just that with practicing we leave a life of denial and lies and enter into a life of truth and understanding. You see when people don’t want to do something they know they should, they start playing with the words and interpretations. The Christians do this as well, ask the Christians you meet if women should cover their hair is in the Bible, most will say no, probably after looking at you like you crazy for asking such a question. But it’s in there, no matter how many times they say its not. So you’re not alone.
Furthermore there’s a person leaving comments on this site using the name of randolphslinky, who is blatantly attacking the Quran and the beautiful religion of Islam, but interestingly you say nothing to randolphslinky, you single me out. Practicing Muslims know that it is an obligation upon each of us to defend the Quran and any distortions of its teachings so if you don’t understand that the chances of you understanding the parts about the hijab and modesty are equally as slim.
Listen, I’m aware of the fact that there is a big push out there to try to make Islam conform to today’s women but don’t get it twisted, it is today’s women and men who have to conform to Islam. Unfortunately sites like this give way to people distorting the truth, but they will fail just like the previous generations who tried, because Allah (God) has said he will protect the Quran himself, so his last and final revelation cannot and will not be changed by you, me or anybody else.
Now, I didn’t single anybody out who left comments on this site until I was singled out, but to be courteous to others I invite you and anybody else who would like to discuss, not argue this issue further to exchange emails or even phone numbers with me because I don’t wish to go back and forth with anyone on this site as I don’t think this is the appropriate forum and this was not the aim of this site. As a practicing Muslim when I see a wrong I’m to try an change it, and that’s what I was trying to do with my original post. So singling me out for doing what I’m supposed to do, well, is a bit suspect and saying that my comment was baseless, that’s your opinion and Allah has surely made clear his position on opinions as well in the Quran.
No disrespect intended. Please pray for understanding, and I ask Allah (God) to forgive you and me for our own weaknesses and errors. Ameen
September 12, 2009 at 12:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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I would like to applaud kpbs and These Days for the effort. However a noticeable error on shows of this kind continues to be an over representation of non-practicing Muslims and an under representation of practicing Muslims and there is a big difference between the two. For example today’s show, in a community of about 80,000 Muslims you have not one but two non-practicing Muslims women to discuss an issue of such importance.
This is part of the problem not part of the solution. When we hear about Muslim women being oppressed and discriminated against in Islam, the very shows echoing these falsehoods are in fact oppressing and discriminating against practicing Muslim women themselves by selecting non-practicing women over practicing. It’s also disrespectful and a disservice to have these two women attempt to tell us what life has been like as Muslims since 9/11, when most of the time most people don’t even know that they’re Muslims. Both women struggled with the question about their decision not to cover their hair for the obvious reason that they really don’t believe in the religion, I hope some day they will. So I humbly ask that this show and shows like this please spare us the college professors and wannabe’s trying to tell us what it’s like to do something that they themselves can’t even do. The caller Tasheen would have been a more qualified guest for this show as she is obviously practicing and probably would have made the show more meaningful. No disrespect intended.
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September 10, 2009 at 4:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )