Help me out and define California culture. What does it consist of. Tell me what's so unique about it. I find it hard to believe you could name a single element that wouldn't also be found in Oregon or Arizona. Or Mexico or Canada for that matter.
I never said it was "just" an administrative unit, but if we have to draw a line around some land to identify that land's culture, the line we use is political, isn't it? I don't belong to just one cultural group and neither do you. We're a blend of several different ones. Generally speaking, my culture is Modern Western.
I don't see how you can tell me I'm destroying California culture if you can't even define it.
I never said Chicanos inhabited the California territory before white Americans, I said Mexicans did, and that's a fact. Used to be called Alta California before gringos made it the 31st United State.
I already told you what the Chicano Park mural suggests to me but I'll go ahead and repeat myself. To me, the only thing that mural suggests is that one group inhabitated the land before another, which is true.
I think discussion is a great reason why the San Diego-Tijuana Metropolis should be an Olympic bidder. After all, it's obviously misunderstood by people like you.
Oh and by the way, if multiculturalism doesn't count, what is "true" California culture anyway? Surfing? Being stuck in traffic? Being superficial and spending thousands on plastic surgery? Eating lots of sushi and tacos -- er, I mean, uh, In-N-Out?
What you don't seem to understand is that there are many cultures existing simultaneously within this administrative unit called California, USA. There are the Kumeyaay, who were here first, then the Spanish, then the Mexicans, then the white Americans, then the Chinese, then the Japanese, then the Filipinos, then the Somalians, then the Chaldeans, etc. We all live together in San Diego now, as Californians, and no one cultural or racial identity owns it, proving that multiculturalism is not a myth or a political buzzword, but a reality.
I'm not destroying anything, and neither is Chicano Park. Obviously the "my land" mural made you think, which is the point of that artwork, but you still didn't identify how it suggests one culture is worth more or less than another. To me, the only thing that mural suggests is that one group inhabitated the land before another, which is true. Probably stung, don't you think? Can't say I blame the first group for feeling that way.
Californian isn't a culture or a race, nor is it an ancestral identifier. It refers to someone living within the administrative boundaries of the State of California, USA. Every bit as political a statement as the "Chicano" label, except with a less meaningful cultural component. Now, once again, please attempt to explain how the existence of Chicano Park decreases California's cultural "value."
Filner already made the argument: it's a thriving, multicultural metropolis. Greatest bi-national region in the world! You can't make a good one against it, is the problem.
I take it you're not going to elaborate on what you said about Chicano Park debasing the worth of "our" culture?
Chicano culture is part of San Diego culture, so I have no idea what you're talking about, unless by "our culture" you mean "white San Diego culture" (which I'm assuming you don't mean, because that would be awfully racist).
"I would study their history, customs, and way of life until it became second nature to me."
Well, since I get the feeling you're not about to actually do that anytime soon, here's a quick Mexican culture lesson: a large part of Mexican identity is Mestizo. It means mix. It refers to the blending of German and indigenous (Aztec) ancestry, and it's a point of national pride. Now please proceed with your obligatory criticisms of that.
Weren't you opposed to Muslim women having their own after-hours women-only swim session at the Y? Seems like an odd way to preserve unique cultures.
I can only assume that by talking about the "native culture" of the place we live, you're referring to the Kumeyaay. Do you represent yourself externally with their customary regalia? If not, you're subverting them, just so you know.
The fact that you think Californians are "overly focused" on multiculturalism, as opposed to simply being aware of and taking pride in our multiculturalism reveals to me that you're somewhat out of touch with reality. It's precisely that multiculturalism that makes us unique. And Hitler would've hated it.
"I'd like to see Californian culture recognized as having value. Then see efforts being made to preserve it as our unifying culture. All cultures are unique, but some less dominant cultures take more effort to preserve, especially when a foreign culture is subverting it."
So, you want an official declaration from Governor Brown that California culture officially has value? What "efforts" are you talking about? Also, if an individual can identify with more than one culture, why can't a place? After all, isn't the culture of a place composed of its people?
I'm just not sure that you really have any idea what you're talking about when it comes to culture. If all you want to say is "Gee, it sure is dirty and poor down there in Mexico," just say it, but don't act as if the border is where one culture ends and another, entirely unique culture begins.
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Help me out and define California culture. What does it consist of. Tell me what's so unique about it. I find it hard to believe you could name a single element that wouldn't also be found in Oregon or Arizona. Or Mexico or Canada for that matter.
May 14, 2013 at 8:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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I never said it was "just" an administrative unit, but if we have to draw a line around some land to identify that land's culture, the line we use is political, isn't it? I don't belong to just one cultural group and neither do you. We're a blend of several different ones. Generally speaking, my culture is Modern Western.
I don't see how you can tell me I'm destroying California culture if you can't even define it.
I never said Chicanos inhabited the California territory before white Americans, I said Mexicans did, and that's a fact. Used to be called Alta California before gringos made it the 31st United State.
I already told you what the Chicano Park mural suggests to me but I'll go ahead and repeat myself. To me, the only thing that mural suggests is that one group inhabitated the land before another, which is true.
I think discussion is a great reason why the San Diego-Tijuana Metropolis should be an Olympic bidder. After all, it's obviously misunderstood by people like you.
May 9, 2013 at 4:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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Oh and by the way, if multiculturalism doesn't count, what is "true" California culture anyway? Surfing? Being stuck in traffic? Being superficial and spending thousands on plastic surgery? Eating lots of sushi and tacos -- er, I mean, uh, In-N-Out?
May 9, 2013 at 3:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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What you don't seem to understand is that there are many cultures existing simultaneously within this administrative unit called California, USA. There are the Kumeyaay, who were here first, then the Spanish, then the Mexicans, then the white Americans, then the Chinese, then the Japanese, then the Filipinos, then the Somalians, then the Chaldeans, etc. We all live together in San Diego now, as Californians, and no one cultural or racial identity owns it, proving that multiculturalism is not a myth or a political buzzword, but a reality.
I'm not destroying anything, and neither is Chicano Park. Obviously the "my land" mural made you think, which is the point of that artwork, but you still didn't identify how it suggests one culture is worth more or less than another. To me, the only thing that mural suggests is that one group inhabitated the land before another, which is true. Probably stung, don't you think? Can't say I blame the first group for feeling that way.
May 9, 2013 at 3:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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Californian isn't a culture or a race, nor is it an ancestral identifier. It refers to someone living within the administrative boundaries of the State of California, USA. Every bit as political a statement as the "Chicano" label, except with a less meaningful cultural component. Now, once again, please attempt to explain how the existence of Chicano Park decreases California's cultural "value."
May 9, 2013 at 2:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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Filner already made the argument: it's a thriving, multicultural metropolis. Greatest bi-national region in the world! You can't make a good one against it, is the problem.
I take it you're not going to elaborate on what you said about Chicano Park debasing the worth of "our" culture?
May 9, 2013 at 2:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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Chicano culture is part of San Diego culture, so I have no idea what you're talking about, unless by "our culture" you mean "white San Diego culture" (which I'm assuming you don't mean, because that would be awfully racist).
May 9, 2013 at 1:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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"I would study their history, customs, and way of life until it became second nature to me."
Well, since I get the feeling you're not about to actually do that anytime soon, here's a quick Mexican culture lesson: a large part of Mexican identity is Mestizo. It means mix. It refers to the blending of German and indigenous (Aztec) ancestry, and it's a point of national pride. Now please proceed with your obligatory criticisms of that.
May 9, 2013 at 12:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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Who said our culture doesn't have worth?
Weren't you opposed to Muslim women having their own after-hours women-only swim session at the Y? Seems like an odd way to preserve unique cultures.
I can only assume that by talking about the "native culture" of the place we live, you're referring to the Kumeyaay. Do you represent yourself externally with their customary regalia? If not, you're subverting them, just so you know.
The fact that you think Californians are "overly focused" on multiculturalism, as opposed to simply being aware of and taking pride in our multiculturalism reveals to me that you're somewhat out of touch with reality. It's precisely that multiculturalism that makes us unique. And Hitler would've hated it.
May 9, 2013 at 12:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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"I'd like to see Californian culture recognized as having value. Then see efforts being made to preserve it as our unifying culture. All cultures are unique, but some less dominant cultures take more effort to preserve, especially when a foreign culture is subverting it."
So, you want an official declaration from Governor Brown that California culture officially has value? What "efforts" are you talking about? Also, if an individual can identify with more than one culture, why can't a place? After all, isn't the culture of a place composed of its people?
I'm just not sure that you really have any idea what you're talking about when it comes to culture. If all you want to say is "Gee, it sure is dirty and poor down there in Mexico," just say it, but don't act as if the border is where one culture ends and another, entirely unique culture begins.
May 9, 2013 at 7:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )