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How Obama Got His Groove Back, And Other Debate Takeaways

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Anyone who thought the presidential candidates couldn't get aggressive within a town hall-style format underestimated the sharp differences in policy that divide them.

President Obama and Mitt Romney remained continuously critical against one another throughout their second debate Tuesday night. Neither ever seemed to finish a statement without launching an attack against his opponent.

The two men differed over economic policy, immigration, gun control and essentially every subject that was brought up in questions from members of the audience at Hofstra University. A rare moment of accord came when they discussed the importance of education.

Obama clearly sought to regain the advantage he had enjoyed among women, frequently invoking Planned Parenthood and contraception. Romney said that as governor of Massachusetts he had made every effort to hire women, noting he'd gathered "whole binders full of women."

All in all, the debate may not have reshaped the race, but it served to underscore the starkly different approaches the two major party candidates would take to address the nation's problems.

How Obama Got His Groove Back

Obama had been widely criticized for his desultory and politically disastrous performance in the first debate, back on Oct. 3, which appears to have cost him his lead in the national polls.

He came prepared for this fight, ready to defend his record and to put the knock on Romney at every opportunity. Obama remained focused, leaning forward eagerly in his chair while waiting for his turn to speak, and giving no quarter when it was his time to stand up and deliver.

His mantra in response to many of Romney's remarks was to say, "It just isn't true." After failing to do so in the first debate, Obama attacked his challenger about his career as an outsourcer of jobs and chided him for his infamous remarks about 47 percent of Americans believing themselves to be victims.

Romney tried to fend off Obama's complaints at one point by suggesting that Obama check the investments his own pension fund makes to see if he doesn't also hold investments in Chinese companies.

"I don't look at my pension," Obama said with a shrug. "It's not as big as yours."

Romney Highlighted All The President's Perceived Failures

But if every political junkie in the land knew that Obama would want to go on offense, Romney himself gave no quarter. He complained that the president had mischaracterized his record and rhetoric on issues such as tax policy.

For the most part, though, Romney concerned himself with pointing out Obama's failures. About two-thirds of the way through the debate, he launched into a litany of problems on the president's watch — persistently high unemployment, trillion-dollar deficits, the failure to reform entitlements, the lack of a plan to address illegal immigration and an increase in poverty and the number of people receiving food stamps.

"The middle class is getting crushed under the policies of a president who has not understood what it takes to get the economy working again," Romney said. "The policies he's put in place, from Obamacare to Dodd-Frank to his tax policies to his regulatory policies — these policies combined have not let this economy take off and grow like it could have."

Many Voters Are Not Just Undecided But Unhappy

Several of the questions asked by the undecided voters in the Hofstra audience amounted to bread-and-butter rephrasings of larger campaign themes, such as the state of the economy. One man wanted lower gas prices, while a college student was nervous about finding a job after graduation.

But some of the questioners made their unhappiness with the candidates quite clear. One of them, Michael Jones, told Obama that while he had voted for him back in 2008, "I'm not as optimistic as I was in 2012. Most things I need for everyday living are very expensive."

"We've gone through a tough four years, there's no doubt about it," Obama conceded, before offering a litany of achievements he's proud of, such as cutting taxes and killing Osama bin Laden.

The Candidates Argued Ceaselessly Over The Past

Former presidents George W. Bush and Ronald Reagan both figured prominently in the debate. Romney was confronted by a question from Susan Katz, who said she attributes "much of America's economic and international problems to the failings and missteps of the Bush administration." She challenged Romney to explain how he would avoid a repeat of the Bush presidency.

Romney sought to turn the question into an opportunity, suggesting he held several differences with his fellow Republican, promising to do a better job in promoting trade and small businesses and confronting China than President Bush did.

Obama was having none of it. He put his own predecessor in a more flattering light than Romney, arguing that Bush had pursued superior policies when it came to Medicare and immigration.

Romney also said his opponent suffered by comparison with a Republican president, saying Reagan had created more jobs following a deep recession than Obama has.

Obama offered one final blast from the past, brushing off a line from Bush's re-election campaign.

"I think Gov. Romney was for an assault weapons ban before he was against it," Obama said, echoing a comment that haunted Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry — Obama's debate prep sparring partner — in his 2004 race against Bush.

The Debate On Foreign Policy Is Well And Truly Teed Up

Foreign policy will be the subject of the final presidential debate next Monday. It was little discussed at Hofstra, but the subject still provided perhaps the most heated moment of the town hall debate.

In recent weeks, Romney has frequently criticized Obama for the events last month at the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, that ended with the death of four Americans, including Ambassador Chris Stevens.

During the debate, Romney said the administration's response to events had been confused for days, with various officials either characterizing them incorrectly or disturbingly failing to understand properly what had happened.

He said the incident "calls into question the president's whole policy in the Middle East," arguing that things were out of hand not just in Libya but in Syria and Egypt as well.

Obama took full responsibility for what happened in Benghazi, but he also took offense at Romney's suggestion that he had neglected the crisis in favor of campaigning. The president's remarks were peppered with anger and conviction as he described his task in greeting the caskets when they returned home.

But he also sought to score points with humor. After Romney questioned Obama's claim to have described the Benghazi killings as an "act of terror" in the Rose Garden the day after they occurred, moderator Candy Crowley of CNN backed up the president's account.

"Can you say that a little louder, Candy?" Obama asked, triggering a rare moment of laughter.

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Avatar for user 'Peking_Duck_SD'

Peking_Duck_SD | October 17, 2012 at 8:14 a.m. ― 1 year, 6 months ago

Last night I saw the President I wanted to see, the President I remember from 2008, the President who cares about all Americans not just the millionaires.

With W. M. Romney, I saw a man who means well but who is woefully unqualified to be President of the United States of America.

Mr. Romney treated both the moderator and the President as if they were low-level employees he could boss around and fire at any moment.

I have said it so many times, and it needs repeating now:

Running a country is NOT the same as running a business.

The ultimate overarching goal of running a business is to make a profit.

The ultimate overarching goal of running a government is protecting and serving the citizens.

To all those who think a fat-cat CEO makes a good government head, I don't know what else to say other than - you are wrong.

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OCB | October 17, 2012 at 12:24 p.m. ― 1 year, 6 months ago

The debate was a disaapointment. As an undecided it became apparent to me early on that CNN and Candy Crowley had pre-planned the questions to try and make President Obama look good. I don't care about Bush, and the women I went to college with are making more money then many men I know. I think it's more important we create good paying jobs for everyone.

I do care that the middle east is less secure today then 4 years ago and that the flag of Islamic hate that cuts noses off woman is increasing in the world and President Obama's failed policies have made us less safe. I do care that the failed policies of President Obama have caused the deficit to increase by 6 trillion, that unemployment remains high, that economic growth is amenic and that energy prices are high. President Obama said he'd like to increase electricity costs for coal and his energy secretary said that he'd like gas at 7$.- both things seem to be coming true.

I thought it was disgracful that CNN and Crowley rigged the event. Crowley cut Roment off 28 times, Crowley also did not follow the deabte rules, on two occasions she broke protocol and did not let Romney have his agreed to rebuttal. Crwoley aslo bailed the PResident out when eh was in trouble.

Most disturbing off all was how did President Obama know to tell Crowley to "GET THE TRANSCRIPT". How did Obama know Crowley had the transcript? HE didn't ask her to get one, or to look at one,or to request one. He knew she had it and thsi was all planned, it was rigged.

In closing it was telling to me that Ms. Obama began applauding at that very moment, encouraging others to applaud s well..................it was shameful, does the Mainstream media think we are that stupid taht we could not see it was all a sham........now that is a tory, I wonder if NPR will cover it, all things considered.

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educator | October 17, 2012 at 1:37 p.m. ― 1 year, 6 months ago

Interesting observations, OCB, although your statements belie your self-designation as undecided.

If you had done your research, you would have known that the questions came directly from the citizens who were selected to appear. Ms. Crowley probably did have some knowledge about the general topics the questions would cover, but characterizing the debate as "rigged" or some grand conspiracy on the part of the reporter and CNN is ludicrous. As the saying goes, if your primary complaint is about the moderator - or the mythical main-stream media as a scapegoat - then it means your guy lost the debate.

Lastly, Mrs. Obama's clapping is telling, but it tells us that you are seeing imaginary conspiracies where none exist. What loving spouse would not applaud his/her partner's solid performance? Get real - it is an act that indicates caring and support, just as you would demonstrate for any family member or close friend.

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CaliforniaDefender | October 17, 2012 at 1:38 p.m. ― 1 year, 6 months ago

The debate was very disappointing.

I saw a biased moderator who ignored time and rules, did not keep the candidates on topic, and permitted the audience to be disruptive.

Candy Crowley and CNN failed. MISERABLY.

So too did the candidates. They were obnoxious, rude, and acted like children. I lost respect for both.

Obama needed to step it up from his last defeat and he failed to do so. Romney needed to seal the deal and likewise failed.

I'd say both lost this debate.

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Peking_Duck_SD | October 17, 2012 at 2 p.m. ― 1 year, 6 months ago

I agree with educator.

OCB it's pretty funny that you say you are an "undecided voter" and then go on in a lengthy spiel to talk about how you think Obama has been a terrible president.

Sounds like you have been "decided" since the first day Obama started serving as POTUS.

CADef., I don't know what Cany Crowley's personal political leanings are, however I am pretty sure she would have fact-checked Obama as well if he was insisting something that didn't happen happened. She's a journalist, opinion is unacceptable but FACTS are golden. She did not express any opinion, she simply fact checked something that was being debated.

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OCB | October 17, 2012 at 2:44 p.m. ― 1 year, 6 months ago

Oama has been a horrible President. It is a fact that in 2008 candidate Obama told me he would cut the deficit in half- 4 years later the deficit has increased by $6 trillion. It is a fact that in 2008 candidate Obama told me there was too much money in politics, 4 years later President Obama is raising money from the very same lobbyists and 1% he rails against, and the GAI reports Obama is taking foregin donatins witout disclosing it where ROmney is in full disclosure.

It is a fact that in 2008 candidate Obama told me there were no red or blue states, 4 years later President Obama has been the most divisive President of all time pitting classes, religions and races against each other. It is a fact that in 2008 candidate Obama said he would lower health premiums and today my premium cost $2,000 more a year. It is a fact that in 2004 candidate Obama told me he would make the world safer, today in 2012 the world is less secure and less safe, and the islamic flag of jihad and hate is flying over murdered ambassaors and embassy's.

It is a fact that the day after our ambassador was murdered Obama took Air Force one to Vegas to raise some cash- he of there is too much money in politics.

It is a fact that in 2008 candidate Obama told me he would pass immigration reform, 4 years later despite having control of senate and house in 09 and 10 he has passed nothing.

It is a fact I donated to candidate Obama's campaing 3 times in 2007 and 2008. If you have other facts please share them. I attacked no one in my post yet you feel the need to attack me personally. Please attack my facts, where am I wrong?

Candy Crowley is a democratic poltiical operative who called the Romney/Ryan ticket a "death Ticket" does this sound like an unbiased moderator?

If she had simply checked a fact why has she apologized today and said Romney was correct and she was wrong?.Another fact- as a fact checker she failed. Did you know that on Sept 17 Crowley ask Senator McCain why the white house did not call it terrorism? Crowley was well aware, as are all americans, that the white house, Carney, Ambassador Rice and of course the President on the View, Letterman and Univision misled the public by blaming a video. If you have other facts please share.

As an undecided the debate pushed me over the edge to vote for Mr. Romney.

At the beginning of the deabte Crowley told the audience no clapping, yet the first lady jumped up and led applause against the rules and silenced Romney's rebuttal- it is a fact. yopu cangoogle and watch it on the internet. I think the rules apply to all of us, I was sorry to see Mrs. Obama did not feel the same way.

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CaliforniaDefender | October 17, 2012 at 3:24 p.m. ― 1 year, 6 months ago

Duck,

Candy Crowley spoke today on CNN and admitted Romney was correct:

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Peking_Duck_SD | October 17, 2012 at 6:44 p.m. ― 1 year, 6 months ago

CADefender, she doesn't say Romney was right.

Listen to the clip you posted closely.

She called out Romney for claiming it took Obama a long time to call he event terrorism hen in fact he did call it an act of terror the very next day.

What she says Romney was correct on was taking two weeks to determine it was not a protest but rather a terrorist attack.

In any case, deeper investigation has shown that there was a terrorist attack AND a non-violent protest going on independaly and concurrently at the consul, so Romney's constant criticism that everyone at the scene should be labeled a terrorist is nothing more than him trying too hard to catch Obama in a "gotcha moment" and, in this desperate grasp for political fodder, he doesn't comprehend the actual situation.

Romney is a foreign policy nightmare.

He outright said he wants to start a trade war with China his hypothetical first day in office.

He is too short sighted to understand our relations with China are more complex than simply trade, for example, China relations are critical in dealing with North Korea.

Furthermore, Asian culture in general is about saving face and achieving mutually benneficial diplomacy through private negotiation, not through public televised threats.

Romney abroad, as we saw in his gaffe-laced voyage to the UK, Israel and Poland a couple months back, is like a bull in a china shop - he plays the big dumb white guy who thinks everyone in other countries should be submissive to his orders and his ignorant comments while he slurs other people's culture left and right.

Not to mention he is so far up "BeeBee's" backside that I'm sure he's already made a back room deal for us oing to war with Iran.

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Peking_Duck_SD | October 17, 2012 at 6:53 p.m. ― 1 year, 6 months ago

OCB, two questions for you:

1. If Obama is as bad as you say, why are you "undecided" as you claim in your first post?

2. Furnish your proof Ms. Crowley is a Democrat.

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Oceanside | October 17, 2012 at 9:23 p.m. ― 1 year, 6 months ago

Read the transcript from Sep 12, 2012: "No acts of terror ... We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done." Clearly, Obama already considered at least the possibility that this was an act of terror.

Pretty obvious that during the debate, Romney did not recall this detail of the Sep 12 speech. Then based on his misconception, he went for a gotcha-moment, and it backfired. Just that simple.

And no Candy Crowley consiracy either. What? Can she see the future and know that Romney was going to gap at the debate?

Shades of the "Birthers".

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Missionaccomplished | October 18, 2012 at 9:02 a.m. ― 1 year, 6 months ago

I heard HUGH HEWITT on KCBQ AM HATE RADIO yesterday. He said, "LIbya is a mess, Egypt is a mess, Syria is a mess."

My question to him would be: "But are we in any of those countries right now like we were in Iraq or Aghanistan?"

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OCB | October 18, 2012 at 11:08 a.m. ― 1 year, 6 months ago

Fact- Candy Crowley has come out and admitted that she was wrong.
Fact-Libya, Syria, Egypt are a mess.
Fact- Presdient Obama has been in office for 4 years and his failed policies have made the world less safe, has made Americans less safe (the first US Ambassador murdered in some 30 years, and the flag of islamic fascim and hate flying high)
Fact- Presdient Obama's failed economic policies have increased the debt by $6 trillion.
Fact- Economic growth is an anemic 1.3%.
Fact- President Obama failed to pass immigration reform despite having Democratic control of the house and senate in 2009 and 2010.
Fact: AQ and the Taliban are stronger today then 4 years ago.
Fact: A gallon of gas that cost 1.60 in 2008 now costs 4.50
Fact: President Obama, Jay Carney, HC, and Susan Rice all blamed a video for weeks after the embassy was attacked.
Fact: Just last week VP Joe Biden said intelligence told the white house it a protest.
Fact: Just last week The intelligence told the hous hearings they never reported any protests.

I have simply stated the facts why I decided after the deabte Tuesday that I will not longer vote fo Preisdent Obama and I will be voting for Mitt Romney. I sent candidate Obama money three times in 2007 and 2008, I gave him a chance. He is a gret speaker but he has been a horrible leader.

If there is a need for rebuttal please provide facts rather than attack me personally. Thank you.

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Peking_Duck_SD | October 18, 2012 at 1:43 p.m. ― 1 year, 6 months ago

OCB, I can't continue reading your list because your first "fact" is, in fact, NOT a fact!

Candy Crowley DID NOT admit she was wrong on the fact check.

The fact check was about something very specific - whether Obama called the acts terrorism early on. It is a FACT (recorded on video mind you) that Obama DID refer to the attacks using the word "terror" the day after they occurred.

Mitt Romney denied this fact in the debate, and Ms. Crowley verified Mr. Obama did in fact call it terror.

What Ms. Crowley acknowledged was Romney's other point that it took a couple weeks to declare that it was an organized terrorist attack carried out by Al Qaeda. And the reason for this delay was, of course, because it had to be investigated and confirmed first.

Romney is a reckless Oaf when it comes to foreign policy.

Similar to G.W. Bush, he prefers to open his mouth before having all the facts.

He is a knee-jerk reactionary, which is dangerous because words alone are powerful enough to start wars.

You may want this clown who is hell bent on launching the U.S. into a war with Iran, but I don't.

And I don't think most Americans want a globally inept, war-minded, socially awkward, culturally insensitive, diplomatically challenged, plutocratically out of touch imbecile like W. M. Romney at the helm.

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Peking_Duck_SD | October 18, 2012 at 1:49 p.m. ― 1 year, 6 months ago

It should be a huge red flag when you see a serious contender for Presidency of the United States using overseas attacks against Americans as political fodder.

Furthermore, it's pathetic that W. M. Romney tries so hard to orchestrate catching Obama in a trap using semantics that aren't even accurate.

News flash Romney, dear: "Gotcha moments" are powerful because they AREN'T planned and they ARE spontaneous when one person fouls up and someone else if there to point it out on the fly.

It's not something you can hire people to orchestrate for you, sir.

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OCB | October 18, 2012 at 2:05 p.m. ― 1 year, 6 months ago

Fact- the world is less safe today then 4 years ago. In 2008 embassy's were not being burned, ambassadors were not being murdered.
Fact- Today AQ, the taliban and our enemies are stronger, not weaker.
Fact- Candy Crowley admitted Romney "was right"-see tape.
Fact-Romney does not want war with any country, he wants leadership..
Fact- President Obama, Jay Carney, Hillary Clinton and Susan Rice blamed US Ambassaor's death on a video , not an act of terror in Libya, fr more than 2 weeks, to White Houe reporters, Meet the Press, David Lettermen and the View for weeks after the assasination.
Fact- The attack and assassination were watched in real time. President Obama said he ordered security increased. Why was security not beefed up to protect the others at the safe house where the navy seals died- the fight lasted 5 hours?
Fact- The day after our ambassador was assinated President Obama flew Air Force One to Vegas to raise money, a few short days later he flew to raise money with Clooney, Jay-Z and other 1 percenters that he suppossedly rails against.
Fact- The US economy is worse today than 4 years ago.
Fact- Gasoline that was 1.60 in 2008 is now 4.50
Fact- the deficit has grown by $6 trillion under Presdient Obama.
Fact-real income is down $4,500 since 2008
Fact- Health insurance premiums are up 2,500$ since 2008
Fact- President Obama has a taxpayer funded pension in Cayman Islands.
Fact- Mitt Romney does not have a taxpayer funded pension in the Cayman Islands.
Fact- President Obama has a bigger taxpayer funded pension then Mr. Romney.
Fact- Mr. Romney does not have any taxpayer funded pension.

I donated money to candidate Obama 3 times in 2007 and 2008. After teh deabte Tuesday and becuase of the facts listed above, I have decided not to vote for President Obama. He is a great speaker, but I could not ignore the facts.

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educator | October 18, 2012 at 3:35 p.m. ― 1 year, 6 months ago

Since you are so fond of tangential facts that are totally irrelevant, OCB, here's another one for you: You are five years older than you were when you supposedly donated in 2007. I suppose you feel the President is to blame for that FACT, as well...

Fact - Just because you preface your litany of phrases the word FACT in front of them does not make them accurate or anything other than your opinion!

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Peking_Duck_SD | October 18, 2012 at 9:10 p.m. ― 1 year, 5 months ago

OCB, that is quite a list, but very few of the things you listed are indeed facts.

And as for the ones are facts, they are either irrelevant to the point you are making, or you are making broad extrapolations while excluding obvious confounding factors to your conclusions.

As far as the Benghazi attack and Crowley, I've already explained that twice on here in earlier responses.

One "fact" you got wrong, however, is that it was a consulate, not an embassy.

As far as overseas personal investments, it is ONLY Romney who has moved money offshore to avoid paying taxes.

You are attacking Obama for having a government pension that CAME WITH HIS JOB.

Obama's pension is through the Illinois state pension system and all Congressmen and women get them, AND it's typical that these state pension systems have some investments overseas.

Romney's overseas investments were deliberately placed to avoid taxes, while Obama's are tied to a state pension system that he doesn't control.

To say these are at all equivalent is insane.

As for your statements about the economy, some are fact, but what you ignore is the reasons behind it.

The worst economic downturn since the Great Depression hit right as Obama took office, and he spent money on stimulus which many economists say actually prevented a full scale depression.

So yes, Obama spent a lot, but he spent it on the American people to weather a horrendous global recession.

And might I remind you, Republicans, including Paul Ryan, all got a piece of the pie.

P. Ryan wrote letters to the federal government asking for stimulus money for his district and actually wrote in the letters that the stimulus would help create jobs in Wisconsin!

Other Republicans like Gov. Bobby Jindal who swore they would refuse stimulus money ended up not only taking the money but posing with constituents holding giant stimulus checks and raving about how good it is for Louisiana.

And look at this chart:

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/06/01/493849/obama-bush-jobs-record/?mobile=nc

Obama actually created MORE private sector jobs and LESS government jobs than Bush did.

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OCB | October 19, 2012 at 2:47 p.m. ― 1 year, 5 months ago

The facts I presented can not be disupted. It is my opinion that it is unfortunate your first post referred to Mr. Romney as well meaning, however by your last post you have resorted to name calling. It has long been the tatics of bully unable to muster facts to resort to name calling. If you can't atack the message........well.

The facts I presented speak for themselves.

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Peking_Duck_SD | October 20, 2012 at 7:59 a.m. ― 1 year, 5 months ago

OCB: "The facts I presented can not be disputed"
But I did dispute many of them, you simply ignored that.

And your accusation of name calling is without merit. I did not attack you or call you a single name.

I called W. Romney inept and clueless when it comes to foreign policy, and that is my opinion and I'm entitled to it. Romney is a public figure and you have been equally as harsh on attacking the President.

By the way, it's interesting that all your "facts" are just complaints about Obama. Why no "facts" about W. Romney that illustrate HIS record. He was a Governor, so it's not as if he has no record of is own, yet your whole argument seems to be weighted on "Obama's bad" without a shred of evidence indicating Romney would be any better.

The truth is, nobody really knows what a President Romney would be like.

He has flip-flopped, and in many cases flip-flop-flipped on pretty much every major issue, including:

Taxes
Abortion
Gay rights
Healthcare

Not to mention he has yet to explain how he will pay for his economic policies which don't add up.

He wants to spend 5 trillion and that doesn't include another coupe of trillion he is likely to use in the Iranian war he has promised Benjamin Netanyahu he would join in.

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RLA | October 20, 2012 at 8:27 a.m. ― 1 year, 5 months ago

Candy Crowley and her network CNN were the real winners of the debate. Her biased handling of the moderator duties makes the American people the losers. I am sure Obama supporters heaped praise on her and her employers, but she has definitely lost any creditability as a journalist.

Jim Lehrer set the standard and Candy failed to measure up. Let's hope Bob Scheiffer (sp?) does better.

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HarryStreet | October 20, 2012 at 11:11 a.m. ― 1 year, 5 months ago

The joke of the debate is how the media focuses on who performs better. Not the issues. Not who's issues are more important and will have more impact on our future.

Romney looked good the first time, but not necessarily better than the president. Romney looked good due to the fact he'd been doing so poorly up to the debate, and as the saying goes, 'you can't fall off the floor when you're already down.'

Doesn't matter one way or other to me. I voted via mail and my vote went to the president. I really couldn't care less what others think.

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Peking_Duck_SD | October 20, 2012 at 2:11 p.m. ― 1 year, 5 months ago

RLA, Crowley would have lost credibility as a journalist had she been wrong.

She wasn't wong.

She stated the President referred to the attacks using the wor "terror" in the Rose garden the day after, and that is a verifiable (recorded) fact.

If Obama had been fact checked, conservatives would probably be giving Crowley Saintood status right now, and Republicans like Ruh Limbaugh would be praising her

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Peking_Duck_SD | October 20, 2012 at 2:30 p.m. ― 1 year, 5 months ago

I admit that both sides have their biases and talking points, however I see much more defensiveness amongst Republicans when it comes to these debate performances.

Case in point, I watched the first debate on MSNBC which has many liberal commentators.

As soon as the debate ended, liberals like Rev. Al, Rachel Maddow, and Ed Schultz immediately acknowledged the President bombed.

They gave him a harsh critique, and rightfully so.

So when Romney performed poorly in the second debate and the President was much stronger, I became curious and turned my television to FOX "news" after the second debate.

I wanted to see if the conservative commentators over at Fox "news" were acknowledging Romney's poor performance in the second debate the way that liberal commentators acknowledged Obama's poor performance n the first debate.

What I saw, however, was complete denial.

Hannity actually said "Romney clearly won" despite several polls that had already been released indicating the opposite.

And then of course Hannity and the other right-wing commentators were beginning their attack on Crowley as well, despite the fact she wasn't even the one coming up with the questions.

Romney won and Crowley was in cahoots with and biased in favor of Obama

Then I saw Fox "news" go to one of those panels of "undecided voters".

I thought I was watching an SNL sketch.

These "undecided" voters made comments about Obama proving they never supported Obama to begin with and have always been for whomever would be challenging him.

By this point I had to turn the TV from the train-wreck that is Fox "news".

You can have pundits who are liberal or conservative, both MSNBC and Fox "news" do this, however that doesn't mean you can just make stuff up.

And that's why Fox "news" is known as such a joke - not because they have conservative commentators, but because those conservative commentators continually lie and mislead their viewers.

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Len | October 20, 2012 at 6:29 p.m. ― 1 year, 5 months ago

HarryStreet's is the only comment worth reading. No commentor, including the ubiquitous, and boring, Peking and OCB, is going to change their mind because of what someone else says/writes. It is extremely doubtful that any reader will change his/her mind, either. Studies show that people rarely change their core selves. Would it be a relief if Peking, OCB, and some others addressed each other directly by email, relieving the rest of readers from observing their fights in the sand box? (I anticipate replies of "Then don't read them," which isn't the point. I'm not going to debate any of them here, which would only add to the electronic equivalent of column inches they already overuse.

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Peking_Duck_SD | October 20, 2012 at 10:17 p.m. ― 1 year, 5 months ago

Len: "I anticipate replies of "Then don't read them," which isn't the point."

Yeah, it kind of is the point and it's pretty funny how you think stating this somehow absolves you of the obvious.

Your soapbox rant on people commenting doesn't contain a single item that relates to the Presidential debate which is what the article is actually about, thus one could argue yours is the biggest waste of space here.

And since when is changing people's minds a prerequisite to debate politics on a comments board?

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OCB | October 21, 2012 at 4:54 p.m. ― 1 year, 5 months ago

Fact 1. Candidate Obama said in 2008 he would cut the deficit in half. Under his watch our debt went from 10 to $16 trillion.
Fact 2: Candidate Obama said in 2008 he would lower health premiums, today premiums cost on average $2,500.00 MIne has gone up by $,1,800.
Fact 3: Real wages under President Obama have gone down $4,500 for average every day workers.
Fact 4: Candidate Obama said he would improve global relations and restore American leadership. Today our US Ambassador has been murdered, teh flag of ahte and sharia fly over US embassy's, Iran, Russia and China are stronger and have less respect for the United States.
Fact5: President Obama said if he spent the stimulus unemployment would come down, for 43 months it was over 8%,
Fact 6: Candidate Obama said there was too much money in politics, the day after the SU Ambassador was assassianted President Obama flew to Vegas to raise cash. He then flew to raise cash with Clooney, JAY-z, went on Lettermen and teh Daily show, stopped by the view- not once meeting with the US press for an interview.
Fact7: President Obama has a big off-shore pension in the Cyamens invested i chinese companies and paid for by US Taxpayers.
Fact 8: Mitt Romney does not have an off-shore pension invested in chinese companies that is paid for by taxpayers.
Fact9: 2 weeks after the jihadist terrorist attack in Libya the white house spokesperson Jay Carney still said "IT is not an act of terrorism"
fact 10: Gas when Obama came into office was $1.60, gas today is over $4
Fact 11- President Obama won't allow drilling off the gulf coast sending US Jobs to SOuth America and raising domestic prices.
Fact: PResdient Obama said he would like "bankrupt' coal energ plants that produce electricity- rates have gone up.
Fact: America is less safe today than 4 years ago.
Fact: President Obama had party control of the hosue and senate and failed to pass immigration, entitlement or deficit reforms.

These are the facts. President Obama and his policies have been failure at every level.

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Missionaccomplished | October 24, 2012 at 10 a.m. ― 1 year, 5 months ago

Fact: America is less safe today than 4 years ago.

Unsupported remark. Not a "fact."fact

"10: Gas when Obama came into office was $1.60, gas today is over $4"

Make up your minds, Teebirchers, is the Federal Gov suppose to intervene in the free market or not?

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