Gov. Newsom: Most Of California Likely Under New Stay-At-Home Order Within Days

Speaker 1: 00:01 Governor Newsome calls for a lockdown within days here in Southern California, Speaker 2: 00:05 Bars, wineries, personal services, uh, hair salons, and the like will be temporary closed. Speaker 1: 00:11 I'm Maureen Kevin Hall with Mark Sauer. This is KPBS midday edition. The current threat of COVID infections is called the worst that San Diego has seen Speaker 2: 00:30 Virus not only gets transmitted by respiratory droplets, but also by aerosols and masks, whatever type of masks, Speaker 1: 00:38 Red flag fire conditions will continue into the weekend in San Diego and a virtual celebration of memoir writers takes place at the San Diego memoir showcase that's ahead on midday edition. Speaker 3: 01:00 Our top story California is in for another round of shutdowns. Governor Gavin Newsome says he's pulling the emergency brake Speaker 2: 01:08 And we are announcing, uh, and introducing a regional stay at home order in the state of California, fundamentally predicated on the need to stop gathering with people outside of your household to do what you can to keep, uh, most of your activities outside. And of course always, uh, most important non-pharmaceutical intervention. That is where face coverings wear a mask Speaker 3: 01:32 In a daily news conference. Again today, governor Newsome cited some very grim numbers, uh, from November 7th, 14 laws. Our lives were lost. That is on November 7th in the last 24 hours in the day before that we've seen 113 deaths, a huge jump there, close to a thousand deaths. The government said in the past 14 days in California, he says, if we don't act now, the hospital systems will soon be over WellMed. And the death rate is going to climb KPBS health reporter Taryn mento is here now, and she's going to help us recap this, uh, Terran. Um, the governor has announced the state being divided into five regions, including the greater Southern California area for the stay at home order. Uh, what determines when we will go in and I should say, and we'll note, uh, it's a little confusing at this point, Speaker 4: 02:20 Right? There was so much information, lots of numbers, lots to digest. So we're going to try and go through it as best as we can, but it seems that, uh, a region will enter this stay at home order when the hospital ICU capacity or availability gets below 15%, um, we're in the Southern California region. So it's not county-based it's region based. Um, and so the governor's best estimates or projections showed that we would be entering that phase, um, in early December. You know, we, we are in early December today, so we're still, um, hoping to find out more details about, but it does seem it's it's it's very soon inevitable within days. Speaker 3: 03:03 Yeah. So just a couple of days, I mean, people should start preparing to go into this right now. What's it gonna mean for people in businesses? It's not altogether clear at this point, Speaker 4: 03:12 Right? So, um, yeah, again, um, lots of details. So one thing is, you know, retail, um, the retail sites will be able to continue operating, but they will have to reduce their capacity to 20%. I believe under the purple tier, it was previously 50%. So that will be a change, um, restaurants. It sounds like will be limited to take out, um, and delivery only. Um, we know that recently they were only allowed to outdoor dining. It seems like that won't be allowed anymore. Um, you know, the, the essential activities going to a doctor checkup, you know, grocery store, um, again, picking up, take out. Those will all be allowed in the governor, did encourage people to get outdoors. So the beaches and parks and hiking trails, et cetera, don't seem to be, um, uh, affected by this order unless a local government decides to take further measures. Um, so, but it, it does seem according to some reporting by the Sacramento bee that that playgrounds, um, will be, will be closed down. And also, you know, the things that we would expect will be closed down, wineries, bars, casinos, live audience sports, um, uh, you know, also salons which were allowed under purple tier those seams that they'll, they will be shut down as well. Thanks to the reporting by Sacramento bee. Speaker 3: 04:24 Joining me now is Dr. Christian Ramers assistant medical director with family health centers and adjunct assistant professor in San Diego state university school of public health. Uh, he specializes in infectious diseases. Dr. Ramers thanks for joining us. Thanks for having me. Uh, what's your reaction to the governor calling for the stay at home order? It looks like the hospitals are just about to get really overwhelmed. Speaker 5: 04:46 Well, if you've been following the, the epidemic curves to the last couple of weeks, uh, you know, we definitely saw this coming. We've seen the steepest increase in the, uh, curve of cases, uh, that we've ever had. And I think people get a little bit numb to the, the idea that we're in the worst place that we've ever been. Um, you know, it's been nine, 10 months of working through all of these really hard restrictions, but we literally are in the worst place that we've ever been. When you look at the hospital numbers, uh, for the County of, um, of San Diego, uh, our previous peak was in July with 411 hospital beds taken in 160 ICU beds taken. And we are well above those numbers now. And Speaker 3: 05:27 We know these, uh, stay at home, uh, orders, uh, a, we had a real restrictive one there, right? When the pandemic started in March. How effective was that in, in, do you think we can repeat the effectiveness now? Speaker 5: 05:39 Yeah, well, when we do have locked down orders or try to decrease congregation and people getting together, we, we inevitably do see that the rates decrease, but the problem with this disease is that, you know, the things we do now don't have effect until about two weeks from now. And when you think the fact that out of 10, eight out of the last 10 days, we've had over a thousand new cases diagnosed in San Diego. There's probably many more than that, that are not diagnosed. You know, that's thousands of people walking around that are infectious. And so this is when we reached the point of exponential spread where things really get out of control. And it's, I can't emphasize enough. It is, it is such a critical thing to overwhelm the hospital system. Um, imagine if you had a heart attack today and there really wasn't a place for you to go. So there's all of these non COVID related illnesses that we still need to be able to maintain the capacity, to be able to take care of. And it is really frightening to see the curves go as high as they're going. Um, this is what everybody has feared all along. Speaker 3: 06:37 And, uh, can you talk for a moment about wearing the mask, how important it is it, uh, and I know we're all tired, we're fatigued as the governor noted, but a mask wearing really has to be the standard at this point. Speaker 5: 06:49 Absolutely. The, the evidence supporting the wearing of masks has just continued to accumulate and accumulate and accumulate. And it's not at all a question anymore. Um, people will say that at the beginning. Well, you weren't sure you said wear a mask, don't wear a mask. And that was really true because we didn't have the evidence. And we were a little bit worried about people, hoarding masks and keeping them from our healthcare workers. Um, but really the issue is settled now that places that have implemented universal mask wearing have seen sharp declines in transmission. Uh, we know that this virus not only gets transmitted by respiratory droplets, but also by aerosols and masks, whatever type of masks they are can help. Of course, masks have different effectiveness. A cloth mask is a little bit less effective than a surgical mask, which is less effective than an N 95, sort of those, those super, um, uh, filtration masks, uh, but really the way the population behaves is almost more important than the type of mask. So people that are the places that they have implemented universal mask, wearing policies, inevitably we'll see less transmission. Speaker 3: 07:49 And, uh, how long do you think it will be in this kind of a more restrictive a shutdown before we start seeing some relief for the hospital? If we can see that at this point? Speaker 5: 07:58 Yeah. Like I mentioned, you know, we are on a 24 hour news cycle, but the virus is on about a two to three weeks infection cycle because of the incubation period and how long it takes people to get sick, even after they, uh, have tested positive. So really I think on the two to three week timescale is what we've seen. There's a really good documentation of what happened in Arizona earlier in the summer, when, when they implemented lockdown type changes within about two to three weeks, you start to see that curve band and then flatten. So that's the timescale I think we should be looking at Speaker 3: 08:29 And we're running out of time, but the governor said notes, the importance of caring for your mental health as family health center seen an increase in requests for mental health services, with the pandemic, Speaker 5: 08:38 Absolutely across every aspect of what we do, you know, no less our own employees and our own health care workers who, you know, in the County briefing as the CEO of sharp healthcare mentioned that the healthcare workers are really at our nerves are pretty fried. Um, we're at the end of our, uh, and to be facing this kind of tidal wave approaching us very soon, uh, is, is, um, a very significant place to be. Uh, so yes, absolutely take care of your mental health as well. Well, I've been speaking with Dr. Christian Ramers assistant medical director with family health centers and adjunct assistant professor at San Diego state university school of public health and Taryn mento KPBS, a health reporter. Thanks very much. We appreciate it. Thank you, Speaker 1: 09:26 Santa Ana winds tore through Eastern San Diego last night, fanning a fire in Rancho San Diego. Two 30 acres fire officials say residents in the path of the Willow fire were evacuated. And one structure was destroyed. Six were damaged, Cal fire reports. The fire is 50% contained San Diego gas and electric cut power to 73,000 residents in the County because of the record strong winds and fire danger SDG. And he says, it's sending crews out to areas where the winds have decreased inspecting circuits and power lines to see when it's safe to restore service. Joining me with an update on the Santa Ana winds and the red flag conditions is Alex tardy warning coordination meteorologist for the national weather service in San Diego County. Alex, welcome back. Thanks for having me on the winds last night were much stronger than expected warranty. Speaker 6: 10:20 Okay. Uh, I would say the winds were probably nearly as strong as expected for most areas. Um, the Santa Ana wind came in, uh, after sunset and when it came in, it came in with a lot of force and we saw wind gusts as high as 95 miles per hour up at, uh, Quia Maka Lake it's up West of Mount Laguna. So we were only expecting, you know, maybe 85 there. So a little bit stronger and, and a few of the windy prone areas, but more importantly areas like Ramona Escondido, Alpine, they had wind gusts over 50 miles per hour, and that's where people live. And so that was the main impact overnight when those winds set up, Speaker 1: 11:02 How dry it got too humid, it was into the single digit someplaces, wasn't it? Speaker 6: 11:07 Yes. And as we speak, it's still is. So in this particular San Ana wind event, what's unusual. Part of it was we started off very dry. So we had a Santa Ana wind Thanksgiving weekend, and we never moistened up didn't even get clouds. So we started off with very dry air and all night, last night, places that had the wind had humidity in the teens. And that's pretty unusual all night. And now with the sun coming up, it's down, like you mentioned in the single digits. So we started off dry and got even dryer with the Santa Ana wind event. Are the winds expected to die down now? Yeah, that's the ultimate question. Um, and they are expected to decrease, but the key with the winds is they're not going to completely die, so they're not going to end. Um, in fact, we're going to see in our wind prone areas, you know, like Alpine Valley center, Escondido, even tonight, there's going to be some wind gusts of 20, 25 miles per hour in, in our wind prone areas. They're still going to see wind gusts of 50, 60 miles per hour tonight. So unfortunately it looks like wind is going to continue into Friday, but the good news is that these intense, strong winds, these vicious winds we saw overnight, and this morning, those are going to decrease with sunset today. Speaker 1: 12:29 How long has the red flag morning expected to last? Speaker 6: 12:32 So right now we have the red flag warning in effect all the way through Friday, in fact, into Saturday morning. Now the high winds, those, those strong high winds, which knocked over some trees and even knocked over a couple of vehicles on interstate eight, that high wind warning expires this evening. So we, unfortunately, because the dryer's not going to go away and we're still going to keep that weak Santa Ana wind flow right now, the red flag warning continues all the way through Friday and into Saturday. We'll reevaluate it on Friday to see if we can end it on Friday. Speaker 1: 13:09 Aren't we supposed to start getting rain right around now, Alex? Speaker 6: 13:13 Well, that's the key, uh, that is the most significant point to all of this. I think so back in December, 2017, we were in a similar situation with a lilac fire erupted and it just wouldn't rain. Uh, so this year a little bit different. We had a lot of rain in early November, relatively speaking, but it hasn't rained since. And so this time of year Santa Ana winds are not unusual. They're not unusual in December, but usually we have wet ground or at least recent rain and we start to green up. So that's the difference this year, same as 2017 it's as if it's October still. And so each time we get these Santa Ana winds, they have high impact in parts of our area and San Diego County. And unfortunately the bad news is we expect more Santa Ana when, on Monday of next week. Speaker 1: 14:06 Okay. Well, I've been speaking with Alex tardy, he's warning coordination, meteorologist for the national weather service in San Diego County. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Speaker 7: 14:24 [inaudible]. Speaker 1: 14:26 This is KPBS midday edition. I'm Maureen Cavenaugh with Mark sour as our red flag warning continues in San Diego County. This bout of low humidity and strong winds is a frightening reminder for victims of the worst fire seen so far in San Diego this year, last September is Valley fire. The people who lost their homes and livelihoods are still trying to recover. Joining me as I knew, source reporter Comey, Von canal and Comey. Welcome. Thank you so much has happened since September. Can you remind us about the Valley fire, where it was located and how severe it was? Speaker 4: 15:03 Yeah, of course. So it started on September 5th, um, sort of between Alpine and Hemal and it spread to places like lions Valley, which is where 78 year old Eileen Menzies lives. Um, and she saw it approached her home. Speaker 1: 15:18 We have seen fires usually about every four years, they get fairly serious, but this is the first time it's come over the Hill. Speaker 4: 15:25 And then after, you know, by the time it was fully contained, 16,000 acres had been burned by the Valley fire. 30 homes were lost, including Eileen Menzies, home six were damaged and an additional 34 structures were lost. Speaker 1: 15:40 So what were the conditions like during the fire? Was it a strong Santa Ana? Speaker 4: 15:45 Um, so it wasn't quite the same conditions as we're experiencing. Now, there was a heat wave for sure. The, I just looked up the high temperatures and Hummel in early September and it was in the hundred and teens, um, and the heat wave was statewide. So there was a bunch of fires raging all over the state at the time. And the winds came in sort of on day two or three of the fire and made it a bit difficult to contain later on. Speaker 1: 16:08 Now, have officials determined the cost of the fire? Speaker 4: 16:11 So they're still tallying the cost of the fire to local governments. It's looking like it's close to around 7 million now. And that includes the cost of the staff response and some aftermath programs like debris removal and some damage to government property too. Um, that the costs to residents haven't been fully tallied yet. Other than the tally of the lost homes, Speaker 1: 16:36 You recently spoke with some of the people who are still trying to recover from their losses. Tell us about the people you met. Speaker 4: 16:44 Yeah. So one of them is Eileen Menzies, who we heard from earlier. She's lived near homo for decades and is used to fires. Her son actually lost his home to wildfire and your Alpine two years ago. And it's just moving back into his rebuilt home now. So that's sort of an indicator of how long these recoveries can take. And, um, Eileen Menzies is determined to rebuild and replace her mobile home that burned right now. She's clearing her land kind of sorting through the rubble. Um, and I've spoke to another person, Joshua havens who lives near, um, Alpine, who hasn't even started clearing his land because, um, the paperwork is, has, or he's had issues with paperwork. So there's just kind of a spectrum in terms of where people are in their recovery is right now, Speaker 1: 17:33 It's been a record-breaking year for wildfires in California are the devastating fires in Northern California and other areas of the state sort of draining resources and help for victims of the Valley fire. Speaker 4: 17:45 So it's sort of a complicated answer because at the time of the fires, Cal fire was definitely strained. Firefighters were in a high demand everywhere. Um, but in the aftermath, it may actually be the opposite. The fact that there were fires elsewhere has kind of helped with the local area because, um, the Valley fire was bundled with a bunch of those other September fires in a federal disaster declaration. And it was, it was almost too small to have been declared a federal disaster on its own, but because it was during this heat wave, um, it was declared a federal disaster and that gives access to federal resources like limited grants from FEMA and loans from the small business administration. Speaker 1: 18:30 It's gotten to be very hard for people in wildfire prone areas to get, or to afford insurance on their homes. Hasn't it? Speaker 4: 18:38 Yeah, absolutely. This has been an issue that's become much more apparent and relevant. In recent years, insurance companies are dropping people in high fire risk areas are increasing the cost. And the last resort option available to Californians is really expensive. And the County surveyed people who registered for aid after the Valley fire, um, there was around a hundred or so households and around a third of them declared that they were uninsured in those, in that survey, which the director of emergency services in the County that was actually low given what we know about insurance in the, in the back country, even people who have insurance, it may not be enough to recover surveys of fire victims elsewhere in the state have shown that, uh, around two thirds of people with insurance are actually severely under-insured. So even having insurance may not be enough for certain people. Speaker 1: 19:30 Cool. Well, I've been speaking with a new source reporter Comey Vaughn canal, and thank you Kimmy. I appreciate it. Balboa park is much more than just a beautiful park. It's home to most of San Diego's museums. They all closed. Once the pandemic hit in March, some have remained closed since then. Others have reopened only to close again. One San Diego moved into the purple tear in the first installment of a two-part series. KPBS reporter. John Carroll looks at how some of the city's most cherished institutions are surviving in the era of COVID-19 Speaker 8: 20:10 Balboa park. Spending time here reminds you of why people call this 1200 acre expanse. The Juul of San Diego, the less setting is home to some of San Diego's cultural gems, repositories of everything from priceless works of art to some of the wonders of the industrial age and the miracles of science for the institutions that house, all of it. The month since March have presented challenges, none of them have ever had to face before the closures have been a very difficult thing to overcome. That's Michael Warburton. He works for the Balboa park, cultural partnership and umbrella group representing most of the parks, some of the Speaker 9: 20:48 Museums, this is the third time being closed. Um, some of the performing arts venues haven't had performances for the public since March. Speaker 8: 20:55 Some of the institutions are financially healthy enough to make it through to the other side of this pandemic, easier than others. But for most of them, the loss of their main source of revenue ticket sales has meant painful decisions. Speaker 9: 21:08 Many of the organizations have had had to go through furloughs and layoffs, um, really cutting back on things that they can perform or programming. Um, it has been a challenge needless to say, for the organizations in the park and, and different challenges for different organizations in different, Speaker 10: 21:27 It's definitely been an interesting and unique experience. I never thought I would have to go through Speaker 8: 21:34 Katie Titus began her job as the San Diego model, railroad museums, marketing and community engagement coordinator in June months after the museum had closed the first time around the fact that the museum actually hired someone well into the pandemic was a good sign of the museum's financial health, but Speaker 10: 21:52 The train is not stopping anytime soon, but we're running low on coal. Speaker 8: 21:56 The model railroad museum is fortunate in one unique way. A lot of the people that work here are volunteers, folks that live and breathe model railroads, but Titus says the financial hit from being closed for most of 2020 has been considerable pre pandemic. About two thirds of the museum's revenue came from ticket sales. Titus says having that financial stream suddenly go completely dry meant. Museum management had to get very creative, very quickly. Speaker 10: 22:23 Our membership and development manager and our executive director had worked incredibly hard to find grants and other funding opportunities, but we're still in need of donations to help close the gap from eight months of closure, Speaker 8: 22:36 Of course, it's human nature to look for silver linings and dark times. And there are some to be found in the park. Some of the institutions here are taking advantage of the COVID downtime to do the kind of work. That's really tough when there are a lot of visitors around, for example, the Tim can museum of art where they're doing some interior renovation work, but for now being closed means doing things differently. Like most of Balbo parks museums, the model railroad museum has had to execute a quick pivot into the virtual world. Speaker 10: 23:05 We have two virtual exhibits. We have our online lecture series. We have, um, member exclusive events via zoom. We had our first ever virtual summer camp where we had campers from Pennsylvania, Florida, California, everything in between learning how to build a model railroad, and we've even gone international delivering distance learning programs to Canada Speaker 8: 23:27 With news of vaccines on the horizon plans are being made at all of Balboa parks, museums, and other attractions to reopen. But for now, just this place, the stunning beauty of Balboa park makes it a great place to spend some time the cultural partnerships, Michael Warburton, if any place Speaker 11: 23:46 Centrally located in San Diego, where you can safely distance and enjoy gardens and a nice day out. This is the place even with its beloved institutions closed. This is still the Juul of San Diego. John Carroll, KPBS news Speaker 1: 24:01 Tomorrow. John shows us how one of the parks major museums is weathering the pandemic and he'll preview some exciting new things coming to Balboa park in the near future. Speaker 1: 24:20 This is KPBS midday edition. I'm Maureen Cavenaugh with Mark Sauer. For some, the pandemic has created very busy days with dozens of things to do. Others have been left with empty spaces and time on their hands, not being able to go to the usual places or do the usual things can be boring, but it can also be creative for instance, what better time to consider writing about the experiences in your life writing a memoir? Well, this Saturday, a virtual celebration of writers exploring their lives will take place at the San Diego memoir showcase. Joining me is Marnie Freeman. She's producer of the San Diego memoir showcase and Marnie, welcome to the program. Thank Speaker 12: 25:04 You so much for so happy to be here. Speaker 1: 25:06 And joining me is Lindsay. Seleka one of the writers featured in Saturday's event. And Lindsay, welcome to you. Thank you so much. Marnie, tell us about the group putting on the showcase, the San Diego memoir writers association, what's that organization's goal. Speaker 12: 25:23 I'm a memoir teacher and the community that was built just in the classes. We really wanted to grow that. And it's really been a blessing in these times, you were talking about like kind of the isolation that people are experiencing and the loneliness, um, and having that connection to community has been really wonderful. Um, so the memoir association, we meet once a month and dedicated to helping people tell their stories, all, all people, all stories. And then once a year, we do the memoir showcase, which is a contest. And we pick a theme. This year's theme was, that's a terrible idea what time? And then 10 people are selected. 10 writers were selected and their pieces are acted out. Usually it's onstage in the North coast rep this year, it's a virtual morning. Speaker 1: 26:17 How do you help writers find their voices and their, and tell their stories? Speaker 12: 26:22 You know, a lot of it has to do with the actual community part of it because everyone's walks in the door, carrying some sort of burden or shame feeling that they're the only one that is feeling or thinking this or carrying this around. And then by starting to practice telling your story and I call it risking 5%. So just sharing just a tiny bit with your fellow writers and seeing that they understand and accept you is incredibly empowering and it just leads to, okay, I'll share 5% more. And before, you know, it, someone feels really strong about showing their story. Speaker 1: 27:04 Now, Lindsay, how long have you been writing about your life experiences? Speaker 12: 27:09 Um, well, I've been writing for my whole life, but, um, I started writing with Marnie in 2012. And what do you get out of this kind of writing? Definitely community. I mean, I've made so many friends and learned so much about, about people and lives and I'm constantly odd by their struck by people's stories. And it's just, it's very inspiring and, you know, really gets me wanting to write more. Speaker 1: 27:36 Can you tell us about the piece that you submitted for the showcase? Speaker 12: 27:39 So I I'm in a flash mob, it's a middle-aged flash mob. And I wrote about my experience, how I started, uh, we, we, uh, we don't flash mob much right now because of the pandemic, just so you know. But, um, but normally we, we meet a few times a year and we choreograph a dance and then perform it at different places around San Diego. Um, so the piece is about how I got started in the flash mob and what it has brought to me. Speaker 1: 28:12 Can you read us an excerpt from your piece? Speaker 12: 28:15 I can, yes. I have one right here. Okay. Earlier I said, I love to dance, loving to do something however, is different than having a natural talent, et cetera thing. When I say I trained for the flash mob, I mean, I dedicated tens of hours to getting it right. I was not going to be the tall white gal with zero groove. I already borderline did not belong. I was not going to stand out even more for second. I attended every practice I could make and then practice the routine in my living room countless times, by the end, my kids knew the moves as well as I did possibly better. The SS for super and the U is for unique. The P is, is for perfection. And you know that we are freaks. I could hear my husband humming this in the kitchen upon waking the song spoke to me. I was a freak. I was determined to be on beat, to change moves after every four or eight count to look enthusiastic and hit and clap. Even though my overarching thought was please Lindsey do not trip. Thanks. Speaker 1: 29:15 So we just heard adjusted bit from, uh, Lindsay silica is of featured writing. That's going to be performed in the San Diego memoir showcase on Saturday. Just a quick question. Have you seen rehearsals Lindsay of your writing being performed and what's that like? Speaker 12: 29:32 Well, I've seen one, I saw an early, um, rehearsal and it's incredible. I love seeing somebody else reading my piece and yeah, acting it out. It was really, yeah, it was wonderful. Speaker 1: 29:45 Marnie, tell us about the range of pieces that were, were selected to be performed on Saturday. Speaker 12: 29:50 They really are very different from, um, Lindsey's is one of the funnier ones. Lindsay is a really funny a writer. So I'll give you some of the titles to give you a sense. Um, one is called lunch with my husband's lover. Another one is called my day with the homeless criminal. Another is called taking my blonde daughter to a black lives matter rally. So they really range, um, all life experiences and some speak to pandemic experiences, some speak to having lost a child and some are, are just lighthearted. How did I get through, uh, a crazy jungle, make it to the other side with Howler monkeys chasing me kind of thing. Speaker 1: 30:36 And, and is it right that the pieces that are going to be performed will also be published? Speaker 12: 30:41 Yes, they are going to be published. Um, we have a yearly anthology called shaking, the tree short brazen memoir. And so those pieces are going to be published next year. Speaker 1: 30:53 And where will people be able to get them? Um, Speaker 12: 30:55 The book is available, wherever books are sold. So we have two already that are out to shaking the trees. Uh, they're organized by the, uh, theme. So, um, you know, this year's theme being, that's a terrible idea. What time we were looking a little bit more for humor and some lightness, um, to balance everything out that's going on, but we have a few more, um, like the last year's one was called. I didn't see that one coming. Speaker 1: 31:23 Uh huh. Now this year showcase is of course taking place virtually, as you were explaining before, as all events are nowadays, what has it been like preparing for that? Speaker 12: 31:34 Well, we were going to do it in person to some degree as of last week, we had to really switch, you know, you have to be really flexible because you make a plan and then what's going on in the County dictates what you can do the week before. So on the one hand it's been really wonderful having things be virtual because we're reaching a wider audience. Uh, but it's been hard. It's been hard to have that community feeling, you know, and to be online. So we just had to do a lot of quick shuffling this week to make it work Speaker 1: 32:13 Well. Great. It's been terrific talking to you both. I've been speaking with Marnie Freeman producer of the San Diego memoir showcase and Lindsay SELACO one of the writers that's featured in the showcase coming up on Saturday, Marnie and Lindsay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Then memoir showcase will take place at 7:00 PM. Saturday on the San Diego writers festival Facebook page.