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Events: Survey Select, Gay Pride, And Jace Everett


Aired 7/19/10

In a weekend of much-buzzed about art exhibits, "Survey Select" is a must-see. We'll also find out what's happening at this year's Gay Pride festival (Devo!) and hear some music from the alt-country singer behind "True Blood" theme song, Jace Everett.

MAUREEN CAVANAUGH (Host): I'm Maureen Cavanaugh. You're listening to These Days on KPBS. This weekend is the annual Pride event in San Diego, with a parade, parties, celebrities and musical acts including Devo. But that is not the only reason to march around town this weekend. Joining me to talk about some of the most interesting events coming up is my guest, Seth Combs. He is the editor of Pacific San Diego magazine. Hi, Seth.

SETH COMBS (Editor, Pacific San Diego Magazine): Hi, Maureen. How are you today?

CAVANAUGH: I’m doing great. You know, we’re going to have to buzz through these…

COMBS: Yeah.

CAVANAUGH: …a little bit.

COMBS: I just had some coffee. I don’t usually drink coffee, so I’m ready to do it.

CAVANAUGH: Oh, we just talked about this art show at the Museum of Contemporary Art San Diego, but there’s another pretty ambitious art show opening downtown. It’s called Survey Select. What can you tell us about it?

COMBS: Well, it’s going to be a very large scale contemporary art exhibition. There’s something like 75 or 65 artists exhibiting in this really large space in the East Village area of downtown, which is – it’s the old Wonder Bread – Wonder Bread Factory.

CAVANAUGH: Wonder Bread Factory, yeah.

COMBS: And really, really good artists. I mean, up and coming artists, not really – no one really, really established yet. You know, have had some – a few gallery shows here and there but from all over the world: Brazil, France, Germany, Korea, Sweden, the list goes on.

CAVANAUGH: Now, any local artists in this show?

COMBS: Yeah, and there’s a very good one actually, a gentleman named Kelsey Brookes is showing some of his stuff there. He had a recent solo show up at the Quint Gallery in La Jolla, and he just – I’m not just saying this because he’s my neighbor, either. He had a – he does these very bright, very intricate sort of Eastern religion inspired pieces that just pop in front of you, they’re just full of color. He actually, you know, you just had Shepard and the guys on, he actually worked with Banksy in the West Bank in Israel and – Kelsey, that is. And there’s another gentleman named Hugo Crosthwaite. He actually lives in Brooklyn now but he went to SDSU. And…

CAVANAUGH: Oh, I didn’t know that.

COMBS: …and moved out there and he makes these really great like kind of charcoal portraits of like urban, you know, urban portraiture kind of thing.

CAVANAUGH: So how long will the show be up? And is – what’s the price of admission?

COMBS: It’ll be up for a few months. I don’t – I’m not positive on what the price of admission is. I know, I’m such a diva I get anywhere – everywhere and I get for free – I get in free everywhere, you know, so I don’t actually know the price of admission. But they are having like a lot of really cool workshops and film, you know, a film series that I, you know, I think maybe costs a few bucks but you can find out all that information online.

CAVANAUGH: That sounds fair enough. Survey Select opens this Friday night in the Wonder Bread Factory downtown. You know, if you’re like me and don’t keep up, you say to yourself, Over The Line, that was last weekend. But it’s this weekend, too, Seth. What’s going on?

COMBS: It’s the championships this weekend. And, you know, they’ve whittled it down to the best of the best. And if you don’t know what Over The Line is, I don’t really know how I could possibly explain it. It’s – I think I described it in Pacific magazine as what baseball would’ve – might’ve looked like if it had been invented by a bunch of drunk people on the beach. And I think that’s probably…

CAVANAUGH: I think that’s pretty good.

COMBS: …the best way to go for it. And, you know, drinking is encouraged at the event. I think Miller Lite actually sponsors it. So, yeah, and it started here in San Diego and now it’s all over the world.

CAVANAUGH: How did it get so popular?

COMBS: I’m not entirely sure because it’s, you know, played, you know, on, you know, on the beach, you know, and there’s not beaches everywhere but I guess maybe you can go get some sand and, you know, if you’re, you know, living in a different country you can, you know, practice out in your backyard or whatever. But it’s, yeah, it’s very similar – the rules and the way it’s played are very similar to baseball and, you know, baseball’s everywhere so I think it just, you know, traveled through word of mouth and now you have the internet and it doesn’t hurt and…

CAVANAUGH: Now this Over The Line always has a reputation of being quite rowdy and non-family friendly. What can people expect if they go to this?

COMBS: I would say expect a good time. I mean, you know, if anything – I don’t know how they get around this, to be honest but you can drink on the beach, which is a rarity these days.

CAVANAUGH: Special permit.

COMBS: Yeah, exact – Oh, special permit, okay. So, you know, there’s that. You know, I wouldn’t say it’s non-family friendly but, you know, there’s a lot of hooting and hollering and cussing and people yelling ‘over the line’ and, you know, because you’re not allowed to do that. Anyway, and so, yeah, I wouldn’t – I wouldn’t say it’s, you know, I’d say it’s a PG-13 event.

CAVANAUGH: Now it takes place on Fiesta Island. Any recommendations for parking?

COMBS: Yeah, if you go on the website, they actually do have a very detailed map of bus routes and they also have a shuttle that’s going to be, you know, going back and forth between, you know, where the main games are being played and, you know, all over Fiesta Island. So it’s, you know, not super easy to get to where you need to go but it’s, you know, better than – Oh, and they’re also having a – They also have a huge bike rack, so bike is, you know, biking down there is very – is encouraged. And they’ll have a place for you to lock your bike up.

CAVANAUGH: Over The Line Championships take place this Saturday and Sunday on Fiesta Island. It’s Pride weekend for San Diego’s gay community, in fact, for the whole community. There’s obviously the parade, so give us the highlights of the parade.

COMBS: Well, I – How could I poss – It’s different every year so I would say that the main highlights other than Constance being here, obviously, I was…

CAVANAUGH: Constance McMillen.

COMBS: …you know, listening to that on the way in, and she’s great. The Pride parade is amazing and one-of-a-kind and if you have never been to one, it’s an amazing experience. I don’t really know how to tell people, you know, what’s going to be in it because I don’t really know myself.

CAVANAUGH: Where will it be?

COMBS: Oh, it’ll be in Hillcrest. It’ll be, you know, on the main drag throughout Hillcrest going down University Avenue.

CAVANAUGH: And what besides the parade – what other kind of – because it’s a weekend Pride event…

COMBS: Umm-hmm.

CAVANAUGH: …right? What other things make up the Pride event?

COMBS: Well, there’s, you know, a large scale kind of festival that includes, you know, music and dancing and there’s like, I was reading, there’s like something like 85 line dancers performing. I mean, how can you turn that down? And, you know, there’s – and so there’s a large scale festival. I think it’s only like about twenty bucks and there’s some great acts this year, you know, Eve is performing. She’s, you know, the R&B, you know, rapper. Blake Lewis from American Idol, and one of my personal favorites, Devo is performing.

CAVANAUGH: Devo. Devo just released a new album. How is it?

COMBS: It is – it’s actually very good. It’s their first new album in 20 years so that’s saying something. And, yeah, and it’s gotten some really, really good reviews and it sounds exactly like De – what Devo sounds like which, you know, it’s not for everybody but it’s that weird synthie pop. I mean, most people know them from that song “Whip It,” but…

CAVANAUGH: Yes, yes.

COMBS: …the new album’s just as good.

CAVANAUGH: I think we have a song from the new album called “Something for Everybody.” This tune is called “Fresh.”

(audio clip of Devo performing “Fresh” from their new album “Something for Everybody”)

CAVANAUGH: Wow, I would not have known who that was.

COMBS: It sounds like it was made in nineteen-eighty, you know, ‘83. I mean, it’s exactly like a Devo.

CAVANAUGH: Tell us a little bit more about who is playing during the Pride event.

COMBS: Oh, okay, so yeah, so like I mentioned, Blake Lewis from American Idol, Eve, Devo, but there’s also some really great local bands at least on the, I believe, on the Sunday bill. It’s on Saturday and Sunday, Burning of Rome is playing, they’re a great local band and super – super fun, super energetic kind of rock, rock-psychedelic-rock. And another band is a three-piece all female band caller Bitter Sober. They’re more kind of Lillith Fair-y kind of singer/songwriter but they rock out a little bit, too, and I think they’re really great, too. So, yeah, I mean, there’s a – there’s some great local acts as well as national acts.

CAVANAUGH: So besides the great local acts and the parade and the line dancing and Devo, is there anything else…

COMBS: The line dancing, yeah.

CAVANAUGH: …that you think is a must see? Or that looks kind of interesting to you for this Pride event?

COMBS: I would say the rally. You know, it’s obviously been a, you know, not to get all, you know, Debbie Downer but like, you know, it’s been a big political year for gay and lesbian – for the gay and lesbian community and there’s – and they’re bringing back the rally this year. It’s on Friday and even if you’re not gay or lesbian yourself, you should go down and support, you know, support – if you do agree with that, and support, you know, the repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell and as well as the right to get married.

CAVANAUGH: I want to tell everyone San Diego’s Gay Pride Festival takes place Saturday and Sunday, this weekend, and, Seth, nobody ever accuses you of being a Debbie Downer.

COMBS: Oh, no, no. I don’t think I’ve ever been accused of that, a lot of other things but not that.

CAVANAUGH: Thanks so much. We really had to rush through it and you gave us some really good information. Thank you.

COMBS: Okay. No problem. Thank you.

CAVANAUGH: Seth Combs, editor of Pacific San Diego magazine. These Days is produced by Angela Carone, Hank Crook, Megan Book – Burke, that is, Pat Finn, Julien Pearce and senior producer Natalie Walsh. Production Manager, Kurt Kohnen. Technical assistance from Chris Maui. Our production assistant is Hilary Andrews. I’m Maureen Cavanaugh, and, please, enjoy the rest of the week. You’ve been listening to These Days on KPBS.

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KelvinJeuneauSD | July 15, 2010 at 10:21 a.m. ― 6 years, 8 months ago

Why do gay people have to be so vocal about their sexuality?

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Jocelyn | July 15, 2010 at 2:43 p.m. ― 6 years, 8 months ago

I can't speak for anyone's expression of sexuality, but it doesn't seem they are trying to be vocal about their sexuality but about their rights as human beings. Why do some heterosexuals have to be so vocal about their opposition to a homosexual lifestyle?

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Borego | July 15, 2010 at 4:07 p.m. ― 6 years, 8 months ago

Because sexual orientation is what sets gays and straights apart, that's what's going to get showcased.

However, the gay community is no more "vocal" about its sexuality than is the rest of the population. In fact, because we're a minority, our sexual expressions aren't nearly as socially endemic as those of our straight (and more financially backed) counterparts. Media, advertising, entertainment, culture, sports--all are rife with straight sexual imagery, references, overtones and double entendres which are, in turn, rammed down our collective throats on a daily basis. And you can't get much vocal than that.

Have you seen the video for Lady Gaga's song, "Fernando"? Pretty "vocal," huh? If a gay artist made that video, he or she would be rabidly attacked by every Evangelical and "family values" group in America, with their complaints (and the resulting fallout) plastered on every channel network. Yet the attention has been minimal, Gaga hasn't lost any career traction, and MTV continues to show the full, unedited version with only a brief disclaimer. Why? Because she's a girl and her dancers are guys.

Here are a few more examples of straight sexual vocalizing:

Shakespeare. Madonna. Ron Jeremy. Saturday Night Live. Beauty pageants. Beer ads. Situation comedies. Biblical stories like those of Adam and Eve, David and Bathsheba, and Lot and his daughters. Victoria's Secret. The Chippendales Dancers. People Magazine. TMZ. Any TV program involving one guy, twelve women, and a rose. Countless billboards. Cheerleaders. Frat parties. Bikini contests. The Man Show. Soap operas. Straight couples holding hands or kissing in public. Almost every movie ever made since the invention of film. Every love song ever written by a man to a woman (there've been more than just a few). Every marriage ceremony ever celebrated by a man and a woman (ditto).

The sexuality of straights is so pervasive that you don't even notice it, Kelvin. Isn't it time that the rest of us got our due?

P.S. Besides, Jocelyn's right: There's a much more important issue at hand. It's easy to focus on the sexual stuff because--as I said--that's what separates the two communities. But keep in mind that gays are struggling for basic equality and human rights, not the opportunity to lap dance with our drunken friends on a boat in the middle of Bass Lake wearing nothing but a wet t-shirt and bikini bottoms.

We'll leave that to our straight brothers and sisters.

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Rafael | July 15, 2010 at 10:26 p.m. ― 6 years, 8 months ago

First of all, there"s much more media about gays and lesbians than straights, so KPBS must give equal space for both sides !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also, anyone who sad a word against gays rights will receive a severe retaliation, do you remember what happened with miss California ?????????
This is my point, Jocelin's just have a issue cause she's Alive !!!!!!!!!!
Her life and ours life are much, much bigger than ours sexual desires and preferences.
So she and her girlfriend never will reproduce another human, so we just are concern about her human rights, because her mother is straight, other wise Jocelin never will be generate.
So, gays and lesbians, i don't care about your sexual preferences, i love you so much and your life is very important for me !!!!!!!!! Mother Nature set some rules for us, lets respect those !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't let anybody make you feel GUILT because you have hetero convictions, stand up and said " I'M PRO LIFE "

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Jocelyn | July 16, 2010 at 6:53 a.m. ― 6 years, 8 months ago

I'm not a lesbian Rafael had you read my post you A. could have spelled my name correctly, and B. you would have noticed the pronoun that I use is "they." However, I really have no idea what any of your post is actually saying. I get that you are suggesting hetero's unite, but I think we already do that enough. And lastly all of our media is about heterosexuals because that is who essentially drives the media. However, it's just not labeled as Heterosexual because it instead is seen as the norm. I'm also not sure why I'm defending myself to a very ridiculous argument.

Fun fact for Borego: Many in the Shakespeare and literary community propose that Shakespeare was gay.

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Borego | July 16, 2010 at 1:15 p.m. ― 6 years, 8 months ago

Hi Jocelyn,

>> Fun fact for Borego: Many in the Shakespeare and literary community propose that Shakespeare was gay. <<

I'm sure you're aware that there's no concrete evidence on that score. Besides, even if it were true, it doesn't belie the fact that the bulk of his output celebrates hetero love and that his literary concepts helped form the West's understanding of straight relationships. And that's nothing to sneeze at.

Thanks for your aside, and Happy Pride.

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Rafael | July 17, 2010 at 12:31 p.m. ― 6 years, 8 months ago

HI Jocelyn,
I'm so sorry, i put your name instead of CONSTANCE MACMILLEN,
please forgive me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also, if you want to tell me why you don't agree with my arguments and the MOTHER NATURE RULES, i'm very curios to know what is more important than LIFE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Jocelyn | July 17, 2010 at 4:21 p.m. ― 6 years, 8 months ago

As for the mother statement, there is a part in your comment where you talk about someone's mother being straight, whether it be mine or Constance's mother. I can't really tell by the writing of the post. The wording is very unclear and much of the grammar is incorrect.

As far as the mother nature and life argument. People of all genders and sexuality understand sex between a man and a woman is the start to a human life. But the goal of every sexual encounter is not procreation. For other mammals and animals it may be. However, those creatures also don't experience any pleasure from sex. Humans do, however, and everyone's desires are different.

Yes I'm alive because my mother and father are heterosexual. But saying someone is denied a life from homosexual sex doesn't make sense. I suppose if one believes there are fixed number of babies waiting to be born and held captive somewhere that might be an argument. But since science doesn't seem to support that belief, no one missed out on their turn for birth because of homosexuality.

As much as some people believe, homosexuality is not the end all to humans. We have plenty of humans if you don't believe just look at San Diego County. They had to instate water police because there is only enough water for about 1/3 of the people living there.

By giving gays their deserved rights this will not turn straight people gay. As tolerance rises, more people will probably become more open about their sexuality. But by knowing gay people you, I, and many other heterosexuals have not suddenly turned gay. It's not contagious. It's just how we are wired.

Maybe mother nature didn't intend on everyone having kids. There are heterosexual woman who can't have children. Should we tell them they can't get married because they can't reproduce. A bigger problem will probably be that we will soon have more sterile girls as a side affect to the growing rate of anorexia.

Bottom line. Mother nature is still in control, nature is a very, very, powerful force. Just read a Frank Norris novel. No one, not even homosexuals have the power to take down nature.

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Rafael | July 17, 2010 at 5:39 p.m. ― 6 years, 8 months ago

What i mean by using the exemplar of the nature ,is pointing from where we come and how we can should stay as society ( in my opinion ).
I have friends who are gays, very good people, i don't care about sexual preferences when i choose my friends. They are equal to the other ones end i treat them at same way.
I'm not concerning about any changes in society, they don't will make any difference for me and you. But what about kids been raise with gay married and what they will ask after that ??????????????

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Jocelyn | July 17, 2010 at 9:11 p.m. ― 6 years, 8 months ago

Why don't we allow a generation of children to grow up with gay parents and see what happens before all the intolerant "psychics" in our society decide that children can't possibly live a happy productive life free of mental issues while growing up with homosexual parents. Any memoir written these days tells the story of being screwed by one's parents. Heterosexual parents that is. The only reason children will have issues having gay parents is because people are so ignorant on the subject the children will be subjected to uninformed, and flat out stupid comments and judgments about their parents.

As far as having a same-gender role model for children, they will find one regardless of their parental situation. What about children who don't have mothers. They find a female caregiver in and aunt, grandma, family friend, someone.

It's not fair for a heterosexual to claim we know what is necessary for parenting. The only situations we have to base our claims on are off of children from heterosexual families because that is all the world knows.

As for your question "What will they ask after that." do you mean the children or the gay couple?

I don't know what the kids will ask, and kids ask difficult questions all the time. All we can do is them them an informed honest answer. If you mean what will the gay couple ask for, well that seems that you are worried about gays asking for something crazy like access the A-bomb. I think they just want a little respect. If you really see your gay friends as equals, and they are your friends, don't you believe they deserve the happiness that others possess?

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Rafael | July 18, 2010 at 2:22 a.m. ― 6 years, 8 months ago

I don't said any thin about gay parenting, what i'm concern is what impact the gay married and this ( third way ) will cause in the young generation.
Anyways, I respect your opinion and i'm glad you care about it.
But i'm still strong with my convictions. Then, i want to say a'm against same sex married because i believe this is better even for them.
Figure it out the parents of gay person decide to be gay instead than be hetero, and we never will talking about the rights as human being of this gay, because he or she never had been concept.
And this is just one argument, what i see is people against gay married having their opinions been disrespect, we have our opinions based in so many reasons. Don't tell me is unfair or i don't deserve to them to be happy, we are talking about the whole picture. Not just about pleasure from sex or person A, B or C be happy. This is a big and important subject and i believe the best for us as humans, is keeping the married for man and woman.

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randolphslinky | July 20, 2010 at 8:46 a.m. ― 6 years, 8 months ago

People often worry about what the impact might be on children raised by gay parents - a fair concern.

Well studies have been done and it's even been a subject covered here on KPBS. The vast consensus of all the studies has been that the children of same-sex parents do as well as children whose parents are heterosexual, in some cases they do better.

Seems impossible doesn't it? But how many times have you seen just horrible parenting by heterosexuals parents - too many times to count I'll bet. Dad is aggressive, abusive, mom is lazy and unconcerned. The fact is that sexual orientation doesn't determine how good a parent you'll be, either way.

The Mormons and the Catholics did a really good job of promoting lies to the contrary with their commercials during the big Yes on Hate campaign. But then when you lie about fondling little boys and requiring special underpants to be in the club, why not bash on homosexuals as well.

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