Barbara Bry On Her Bid For San Diego Mayor, The Future Of Geothermal Energy In California, SDSU Men’s Basketball Team Celebrates Winning Streak

Speaker 1: 00:00 The president's lawyers continue his defense at the Senate impeachment trial today. We'll bring you live NPR coverage of the trial starting this morning at 10 well believe it or not, mail in ballots for the California primary start going out early next week. Election day itself is just a little over a month away on March 3rd so midday edition is stepping up its election coverage starting with interviews with the candidates for San Diego mayor. Our first interview is with Democrat Barbara Bree who represents district one on the San Diego city council and Barbara, welcome. Great. Thank you for having me here this morning. Why are you running to be San Diego's next mayor? So I think you know I'm not a career politician. I ran for public office for the first time in 2016 after a career as a journalist, a high tech entrepreneur and starting to organizations that empower women, Athena San Diego and run women run. And I got to city hall and quite frankly what I found was a mess, a culture of no accountability and no transparency. Speaker 1: 01:02 I stood up to it immediately. I oppose the soccer city land grab. I demanded an independent audit of the water department and I could go into more detail later on the one Oh one Ash street, a fiasco, the purchase of the former Sempra headquarters by the city council, uh, before I arrived and, and honestly we're not going to solve our problems like homelessness and housing with a politics as usual culture and I'm running to change that culture and to bring real management and leadership experience to the role of being a strong mayor for the city of San Diego. And how would you handle what is one of San Diego's major concerns? The issue of homelessness in the city? I think we have to start by addressing the root causes by acknowledging that housing first has failed all the root causes in many cases are mental health and substance abuse issues. Speaker 1: 01:54 And just giving someone a place to live if we don't address the root causes is not going to be successful. We've already seen that in the data that many people to whom we do give a place to live, end up back on the street within a matter of months or a year because we have not addressed the root causes. The key is addressing each person as an individual and some a woman who's leaving an abused marriage may need a house up home place to live right away. Uh, someone with a mental health issues needs help resolving that. And if someone breaks the law, we need to enforce how does the city go or about handling the homeless issue on an individual basis. I think that's by having social workers doing outreach, uh, on an individual basis to determine what the needs are of each individual and treating each person with, with what they need to be able to be ready to live in housing. Speaker 1: 02:49 The city council has said for several years now that the city is in a housing crisis for both low income and affordable middle-class housing. What's your plan for fixing that? So I think that gets back to one of my major priorities, which is protecting the quality of our neighborhoods. And, um, right now we have 16,000 single family homes that are off the market that are being used as short term vacation rentals at a time. As you noted, we have a housing shortage and that's 3% of our housing stock. So on day one I will start by enforcing our existing municipal code which prohibits them in residential neighborhoods. As a council member, I have supported increased density along transit. I have voted by right to add the ability to for 45,000 additional housing units and I will continue to do that. In addition, I believe home ownership is a missing piece and that's how most people build up wealth. Speaker 1: 03:45 And I am going to be advocating for a statewide housing bond that will provide first time home buyers with closing costs and down payment assistance if they buy in a transit priority area. Now you support to some high density housing, but you've also come out against the yes, in my backyard movement in San Diego who want to see a lot more high density housing build. But you're skeptical of the motives behind that idea. Yes. So I am opposed to SB 50 and similar efforts by the state to end single family zoning and to impose state regulations on land juice. I believe San Diego should be in control of what happens in our neighborhoods. SB 50 would allow essentially a fourplex to be built on any single family home lot in San Diego. Uh, my opponent, mr Gloria has in the past supported efforts like SB 50 and so has my opponent, Mr. Sherman and I've also been against eliminating parking requirements. Speaker 1: 04:46 I, it's fine to reduce them, but eliminating them and transit priority areas is going to be a disaster. Now let's talk about the transition San Diego needs to make from total reliance on cars to public transportation and bikes. If we're going to meet the goals of the climate action plan, you're supported by groups opposed to some of those efforts, like removing some parking for bikes on 30th street. How do we reach those climate goals if we don't take action? I think 30th street is a great example of the city officials making a decision without including the community and without providing the community with adequate data. Just two blocks. Parallel to 30th street is Utah street, which has bike lanes, very nice bike lanes, which could be protected further. Utah is in the SANDAG plan, the SANDAG mobility plan, so why? Why was 30th street chosen a street where, yeah, many older apartments exist, which were built long before parking was included, which is where many small businesses exist, which were many older people shop and need access to handicap spaces. Speaker 1: 05:56 Nobody has. We have not gotten clear answers as to why 30th street was designated when two blocks over is Utah street, which already has bike lanes. Do you have though the commitment to the climate action goals to make hard, unpopular choices if you have to. I've already demonstrated that I will make hard choices at city hall. I was the first elected official to oppose soccer city. Remember it was supported by Kevin Faulkner, very popular mayor at the time. I was the first elected official. I was out there by myself. Soccer city ran tens of thousands of dollars of ads on social media criticizing me. I will make decisions that are in the best interests of our residents. My two major opponents are each supported by a major political party and special interests who are pouring a lot of money into their races, and they will be beholden to those special interests. I am the only candidate with the independence and the leadership experience to stand up to special interests and to make decisions that are in the best interest of our neighborhoods and our residents. I've been speaking with San Diego may, oral candidate Barbara, Bree, thank you for joining us. Thank you. Speaker 1: 00:00 Clean power from geothermal sources as long been generated in California. But the scale has been small accounting for just 4.5% of the state's energy in 2018 but geothermal is about to become a much bigger player. Thanks in part to efforts East of here near the salt and sea as part of coverage from the KPBS climate change desk. Round table host Mark Sauer interviewed Los Angeles times energy reporter Sammy Roth about his story on the expansion of geothermal energy. Here's that interview Speaker 2: 00:30 start by explaining what geothermal energy is, how it works, what advantage it has over solar and wind. Speaker 3: 00:36 So geothermal energy is this, um, is this renewable energy source that basically takes advantage of the Earth's natural heat. Uh, there are certain spots, um, mostly in the Western United States in this country and a lot of them in California where you get these naturally heated underground reservoirs. So these, you know, like, you know, 500 degrees or more times these, these underground pools, you know, deep down there where the Earth's natural heat has heated up water sources are drying water with high mineral content. And pretty much what you can do is you can drill down there and pull up this super heated fluid, um, and pull steam off of it and use the steam to turn turbine to generate electricity just like at a traditional power plant. And then you re-inject the fluid back underground. And the big difference, you know, between this and the traditional power plant is that it's, it's renewable, it's emissions free, doesn't contribute to climate change. Um, and unlike solar wind power, which are the, you know, the more well known renewable energy sources, um, this one can go around the clock 24 hours a day. Speaker 2: 01:35 It's there. Well not just when the sun is up in the wind is blowing. That's right. And the, why is it that geothermal is about to become a bigger player in California's quest for more sources of clean energy. Speaker 3: 01:45 So the, the interesting thing about geothermal and California is that it's actually been around for a long time. We've had geothermal plants out in, in the Imperial Valley by the salt and sea and then up at the geysers North of the Bay area. It's a complex up there called the geysers and we've had those operating since like the 70s and eighties. Uh, so they've been around for a long time. It hasn't been a lot of, of new geothermal development, uh, recently, especially since solar and wind got cheap because it's much more expensive to build these facilities. The reason it's coming back into Vogue now, or at least seems to be is that California has set this target of 100% emissions free energy by 2045. Uh, and you've got utilities and energy providers looking at that and looking at all of the solar on the grid that we have during the middle of the day, which all disappears at sundown. Um, and realizing that they're, they're going to need other energy sources that are carbon free, that don't contribute to climate change. And that can be there when, when solar or wind can't. Um, so what you've seen just this month is a couple of energy providers, including Imperial irrigation district, uh, signing contracts for new geothermal energy, which looks like it's going to probably lead to the, the first new geothermal plants getting built in the state and about a decade. Speaker 2: 02:58 And you that one that's near the salt and sea and there's a another one that's going to come online. And, and what's the timetable? Speaker 3: 03:05 Yeah, so the, the one-up in, in mono County sort of along the Eastern Sierra that that one looks like it's coming first. There's a contract with a couple of 'em Bay area ish power providers to do, bring that one online in, in 2021. I'm down at the salt and sea. You've got this Australian company, a controlled thermal resources that's been working on this, this project for quite a long time. They've got some, some land leased out there. Um, they're looking at a 20, 23 operating date under their contract with IID. Speaker 2: 03:34 And, uh, there could be a great potential here is as we said at the outset, um, I mean this will, uh, explain how much power we're getting from geothermal now and what, what these plants might, uh, might increase that too. And then also we really have a lot more potential beyond that, right? Speaker 3: 03:51 Yeah. So geothermal right now I'm, it's between four and 5% of California's electricity mix, which has been pretty static for a while. Um, it's never going to be everything, but there's potential for that number to go up quite a bit. Uh, you've had the, you've had the federal government, I'm looking at this actually even under the Trump administration, this just something they've been interested in putting out a report, uh, last year, which, which basically said that under, you know, an optimistic scenario for geothermal, you could get up to like 16% of the country's electricity from this resource. I don't know, you know, specifically what it could get up to in California, but you know, potentially, you know, a much higher than today. One of the big factors that's going to determine whether or not that happens is just basically technology advances. Um, there haven't been a ton of them in, in this industry recently, but there's definitely the potential to be able to tap, um, you know, some of the less, I guess the less good research as you would say, stuff that's further underground or lower temperature. Uh, you've got geothermal startups and, and um, researchers who are looking at this, trying to figure out ways to get it, stuff that's not quite as economical today and that could make a big difference if it comes through. Speaker 2: 04:58 And you, you would expect that the experience with these two new plants and what they're going to learn on that wood would spur what you're talking about in terms of more efficiencies and better ways to do it? Speaker 3: 05:08 Well, definitely the industry, if it, if it wants to have this big expansion needs to start growing again at all. I mean, the last time a new geothermal plant was built in California was in 2012, which was down at the, at the salt and sea. Um, and so, you know, and any future where this research takes off a lot, I mean you just need to start getting plants built again for sure. Speaker 2: 05:27 And might there also be a dropoff and use of natural gas cause it's relatively expensive going forward. Could you a Thermo help development help offset that? Speaker 3: 05:36 Well that's kind of the, you know, the $64,000 question in, in energy in California right now, uh, nearly half of the state's electricity still comes from natural gas, which is, uh, you know, burns cleaner than coal. But is, is still a fossil fuel. And so the big question is, uh, how do you get rid of that? How do you get that off the grid and replace it with something that's totally clean and geothermal definitely has the potential to be a one of the resources that does that address. It probably won't be everything, but that's sort of the, you know, the hope that this is one of the things that can help us get to that 100% clean energy point. Speaker 2: 06:11 And when we last spoke, it was about extracting lithium from the geothermal brine there by the salt and sea. It's one way to make the cost of a geothermal lower. Are there any other ways to make geothermal cheaper? Speaker 3: 06:25 Well, the, um, I mean the thing that really makes this more expensive than, uh, than solar and wind power, which have come down and cost so much is that it's, there's a lot of infrastructure involved. I mean, you, you have to, I mean it's like oil and gas. You've got to drill down into the ground. You've got to, you know, build traditional power plant machinery, turbine generators. Um, so it's, it's, you know, there's not an easy route to making this, this cheaper like there was with, with solar and wind. We're basically the, you know, the, the tech, the technology, just, you know, the inputs got cheaper and the overall costs came down. I, I think that, um, I mean lithium is not going to make it cheaper, potentially makes it more lucrative, which makes it easier to sell. Um, but no, I, I, I at least as far as I know, there's not an easy path right now to that Speaker 2: 07:10 and the state bill that mandates California energy that become 100% climate friendly by 2045, as you say, that's behind the, the growth in geo thermal as it stands now, are we likely to reach that goal? It's just 25 years from now. Speaker 3: 07:24 Well, it's, it's a hard to forecast 25 years into the future. Um, so far California has, uh, has achieved the goals it set out for itself that, you know, the targets thus far through 2020, um, all indications are that we're, we're on track to hit this, this target, this 2030 target, which is 60% renewable without too much trouble. Um, jury is definitely still out after that. I think a sort of, everyone agrees that you need, you know, more than, than just the technology you have today to get there. But there's a lot of promising stuff right now, this, this included that could be a part of the puzzle to get you there. So I'm, I'm, I'm not placing any bets, but there's, there's strong potential. It's a, Speaker 2: 08:02 well, I've been speaking with reporters, Sammy Roth, who covers energy for the Los Angeles times. Thanks very much. You're welcome. Speaker 4: 08:16 [inaudible] [inaudible]. Speaker 1: 00:00 San Diego County voters will decide in March whether they should get a say in deciding the fate of back country housing projects. KPBS reporter Eric Anderson says measure a would require a countywide vote for projects that currently only require the approval of supervisors. Speaker 2: 00:19 JP the Burj with the organization grow. The San Diego way stands next to a busy construction site in Valley center and right here is a project called park circle. It's a project he likes and it's on the site of an old dairy developer. Touchstone communities is building 630 homes here without the need for a special exemption from the County board of supervisors. That's because this land is zoned to build houses. This project is inside the county's plan for development in the area because it's located next to this Valley center road, which is a major through fair and it makes it easily accessible to services. The County spent years with stakeholders hashing out a development plan that clusters new housing near villages, services and jobs to provide a blueprint for growth. But since the general plan was adopted, supervisors are still approving large back-country developments in isolated rural areas where those amenities are sparked. Speaker 1: 01:16 New one, Sierra lilac Hills ranch, volley Yano, harmony Grove village South. Oh Tai. Speaker 2: 01:21 Susan Baldwin is a retired urban planner and president for San Diegans for managed growth. She says the County shouldn't turn its back on a development blueprint that was eight years in the making and got input from everyone. Speaker 1: 01:34 Business interests, the building industry, community members environmentalist's and so if the plan needs to be changed, then there should be an over, uh, you know, uh, uh, review of the plan as a whole, not individual projects being approved in a piecemeal fashion. The building industry, you know, they do a lot of great stuff, but when it comes to the sprawl projects and the, the ones that don't comply with the general plan, they really have their finger on the scale. Speaker 2: 02:04 The bird says getting approval for a housing project outside the general plan guidelines is relatively easy. Developers only need to convince three supervisors and the public doesn't have input. That would change if voters support measure a called the save our San Diego countryside initiative. Developers working on a project larger than six homes would have to put it up for a countywide vote if it's outside the general plan guidelines. Supporters say that makes the process more fair. Opponents launched their campaign against the measure late last year. Tonya Castaneda represents the no on the SOS initiative campaign. Speaker 1: 02:43 Well, the SOS initiative is fundamentally an anti housing and anti-growth measure and it's it's ballot box planning at its worst. Speaker 2: 02:50 Casta native brought together labor leaders, first responders and politicians to speak out against the measure. Speaker 1: 02:56 What it's going to do is it's going to add a whole new regulatory to try to get any new home building happening in our County. Speaker 2: 03:02 The no on measure. A effort is funded largely by the county's building industry association, which doesn't want the current system chain. Speaker 1: 03:09 What it really is ultimately is an anti economy initiative. Speaker 2: 03:13 Gary London is a real estate economist volunteering with the no on measure a campaign. He says the current system works just fine because informed supervisors make informed decisions on amendments that are vetted by County staffers. Speaker 3: 03:29 There's always compromises that are made in terms of the number of housing units. So the type of housing or what infrastructure should be provided or, or how, what kind of roads should be provided, what kind of fire safety should be provided. All that is properly vetted within our representative system. Speaker 2: 03:44 London is not confident voters will do the same. The demand for housing contributes to the region soaring home prices prices which make housing unaffordable for most San Diego County residents. Speaker 3: 03:56 Just by virtue of building more housing, by having more supply against a backdrop of large demand, you're going to um, have an impact on the bid of, of pricing in, in, in, in the County. Speaker 2: 04:12 A yes vote on measure eight is a vote to require a public vote for general plan amendments that increase housing density on rural or semi-rural lands. The measure passes, if it gets more than 50% of the vote in March. Speaker 1: 04:26 Joining me is KPBS environment reporter Eric Anderson. Eric, welcome. Thank you Marine. Where did measure a originate? How did it come about in the first place? Speaker 2: 04:36 Well, I think it happened in large part because once the general plan, which was worked out over a period of eight years, involved all the different stakeholders, uh, communities around San Diego County, environmentalist, developers, builders, all these different disparate groups had input on this plan. They talked about it over an eight year period. It cost some $13 million. They finally agreed on this development plan that kind of clustered the development, uh, you know, around where the services are. Uh, so that would put less stress on the environment and, and all those decisions were reached. And then almost immediately or very quickly, uh, developers began asking for amendments and the supervisors, they approved 12 different projects, more than 12 different projects, uh, large housing tracks that are outside of the general plan that didn't really address how you were going to account for these impacts, fire protection issues or all of the different things that, that, uh, regional planners had already considered, uh, when they came up with the general plan. Speaker 1: 05:39 It sounds like there's a lot at stake for both sides. In this vote, what are the sides stand to gain or lose Speaker 2: 05:46 here? This is going to be potentially if it passes a sweeping change in the way housing developments outside of the general plan guidelines are developed. Like the current allows a developer to say buy land in a rural area that's not currently zoned for housing. They can go to the County board of supervisors with their project. Ultimately the board of supervisors will have the say three of them is all they would need to approve it to decide whether or not this rural development, uh, gets approved. And in San Diego County, the board of supervisors have been more than willing to do. So they've approved a more than a dozen. Speaker 1: 06:23 The supporters of measure a want the County to adhere to the general plan. But is this just another, not in my backyard measure. Speaker 2: 06:31 You're correct. When you say that they want the developers to adhere to the general plan because the argument that the supporters of measure a make is look the general plan accounts for 60,000 additional housing units that can be built without amendments. Developers can go to these areas that are near services, that are near roads, that are near a fire protection, uh, stations and they can build their housing developments there. Um, and so the idea is to stop these, these pop up, uh, developments that are not connected to the services or, uh, in the San Diego County water district. Uh, a service area. Speaker 1: 07:10 Where are some of the developments that were approved by the supervisors that are outside of the county's general plan? Speaker 2: 07:17 Um, they're kind of scattered all over. There are some in the South County, um, Oh, Thai, uh, Mesa area, Chula Vista, uh, where, where they've done it. There are some, uh, in, uh, North of Escondido. Uh, another one is another issue that's on the ballot measure B, which is the Newland Sierra project right along the 15 North of Escondido in an area that was not zoned for, for housing. Um, but they got an amendment that was, that was approved by the supervisors voters, um, uh, decided they wanted to put that onto the ballot and enough petition signatures were gathered and it's going to be a measure on the ballot measure B, uh, which will decide whether or not that project will move forward. Incidentally, and I don't want to get too lost in the weeds here, but incidentally, that's the first time that voters will have an opportunity to make a decision on a decision that the supervisors have already made. That's never happened before. And what measure a would do is make that routine. Right? So if the supervisors approve a project and it's larger than six or six homes or larger, then voters around the County would get a chance to vote on that issue. Speaker 1: 08:23 Now, developers in the real estate community would obviously make more money if more housing is built. Speaker 2: 08:28 If it was easier to build housing, yes. Speaker 1: 08:30 But what are their arguments against measure a, that would resound with the general public? Speaker 2: 08:36 Um, what they say is that San Diego is suffering from a housing shortage and we're in in bad need of building more housing. Just having more housing in the ground, uh, will bring help bring down the price of housing. Um, the thing that you have to realize too though, is that that's a complex equation. Everything that goes, the cost of housing, uh, there are many, many factors. Supply is just one of them. Um, and what they say also is that it's not a good idea to give the voters the right to make these decisions at the ballot box. They say that ballot box planning, um, isn't an effective way, uh, to map out the development future for the County. Um, and I think that's why I'm, all the County board of supervisors have come out against this, uh, measure. Uh, the Dem, the, uh, democratic party and the Republican party also out against this measure, uh, is because they, they don't think that that's the best way, uh, to make development plans. They suggest that, um, the supervisors, you know, sit down with these projects, they think about them, they look them over, they review them. Uh, they have an informed decision when they make it. And, and that's the better way to go. I've been speaking with KPBS environment reporter Eric Anderson. Eric, thank you. My pleasure. Speaker 1: 00:00 The Rocky horror picture show is a mainstay at midnight movies some four decades after it came out. But before it was a cold film, it was a stage musical called the Rocky horror show. OB Playhouse had such success selling out the show last year than it is bringing it back. KPBS arts reporter Beth OCHA, Mondo speaks with director, choreographer, Michael, ms Ronnie and actor Hunter Brown about remounting the show. Speaker 2: 00:25 Michael, you've previously staged the Rocky horror show at OB play house and you are staging it again. Why are you bringing it back? Was it the popularity? Speaker 3: 00:34 It was popular. It sold out every night, so they thought, Hey, it's all every night and we made some money, so let's do it again. Which is sort of smart. Yeah. So yeah, we just opened this weekend Speaker 2: 00:44 and returning to a show like that, are you changing anything up? Speaker 3: 00:49 Well, I didn't change any of the staging or the dances, but I'm half the cast is new. So in that aspect it's a different show because they bring different elements and talents. So, yeah, it's, I would say it's the same show structurally, but how it works on stage is different Speaker 2: 01:02 and you've changed the look of it a bit. Speaker 3: 01:05 Um, usually it's done in a glam rock style and, and there's part of that in there, but we went more like SM leather aspect of it. So it's very much about the leather and the bras and the jock straps and the thongs and the chain skirts and the riding crop and the floggers. So it's much, you know, more of that is, um, in the production Speaker 2: 01:23 and Hunter you are playing Brad, who is the quote unquote square character who gets brought into this world. What's that like? It's a, it's, it's a fun experience. Most of the show, um, like the first act, I'm Janet and I have a couple of songs and then it's us just kind of standing and watching and it's, it's really fun to just kinda, you know, get in that mindset of being from just like regular small town Americana and then being drawn into this world of just insanity and craziness. It's really cool. Speaker 3: 01:51 And, um, as they watch that, they do slowly get drawn in. To me the Timewarp is like, um, initiation. So they do it like, like they do it like four times, like let's do the time warp and slowly Brad and Janet get pulled in until Columbia grabs them and makes them do it. And so their initiation is complete by then and the very next scene scene, a friggin further walks and you're like, okay, here it comes. Speaker 2: 02:12 Just throughout the show, Janet and I both like different things start happening to us and I feel like both of the characters start getting more and more comfortable with everything as it goes on. Just kinda getting pulled into everything. Speaker 3: 02:23 Yeah. And they're finding out things about themselves they didn't know or were repressed like, Oh, I sort of like this, Oh maybe, you know, I like Toby with him and not her. And so they sort of start to change how they look at themselves and their sexuality. Speaker 2: 02:37 You brought up the time warp, so this is a very iconic part of Rocky horror. How as a choreographer, do you approach something that on a certain level feels very familiar to people because of what they've already seen in the film? Speaker 3: 02:55 Well, if anyone knows me, I usually don't do just what they did, the film. There are aspects of that, but it's more complex. It is on stage and it is, and you're watching it and needs to be interesting to watch because they do it four times. So I can't just have them do the same thing over and over and over again four times. Um, so it's a little bit more intricate, a little bit more complex than normal, but all the aspects of, you know, jump to the left, you have to jump to the left because the lyrics say you have to jump to the left. Speaker 4: 03:41 [inaudible] Speaker 2: 03:42 Brad and doing that kind of transformation. Cause it seems like you have to kind of change your whole physicality. Yeah. Yeah. Um, no, it's really interesting because kind of like Michael was saying earlier, it's more of a, I feel, I mean like, yeah, it's Brad, you know, being pulled into this lifestyle, but more so it's just about, it's not about him changing into something he wasn't, it's, it's about all of these walls that he's had come down. So it's, it's really kind of like Michael said, just about becoming more free. And that really, that's, it kind of goes down to that. And in my physicality, I just feel like Brad gets a little more loose. Speaker 3: 04:16 I remember going to see the movie the first time and I'm watching it and I'm like, okay, okay. You know, I started talking to you. I'm like, Oh, okay. And then I'm, when Brad and Frank hook up and people are cheering, I'm like, Oh, it's okay. It's, I'm like, it's okay. It's okay to actually be be gay and people aren't going to judge you about it. And well, and you know, I was raised a Catholic in the Catholic school and I, and I was just taught, no, no, no. But then you're like other people like, Oh, like outside world it's okay. It's okay. Speaker 2: 04:46 For people who have only seen the film, what would you say the musical does different, or what should they expect? Different? The movies a lot slower. Speaker 3: 04:54 It's a lot slower. Slower. Yeah. I tend to keep the pace up of this and um, just because people are live in front of you, some of the aspects of the movie where it's, it's like on the screen and you're far away and they're not real. You're like, Oh, okay. But, but witness right in front of you when the sexuality of it is right on stage in front of you, it's a little bit of a different experience. And also the call outs, we were up doing call-outs. Yeah. So when you're in the audience and you're doing call outs in the actor, shout back at you like, Oh, that's not in the movie. It definitely is in the movie, but I'm at OB. If you call out, you never know. They might yell back at you. So be prepared if you do that. So this will be interactive to a degree. Speaker 3: 05:32 Yeah. Um, yeah, we won't pull anyone up on stage obviously, but yet people are calling off things and basically the most, um, the show itself is probably, uh, um, a soft Dar. But because of the call outs, it's probably a hard art. They get, I get shocked in, it's hard to shock me. I'm like, what did they just say? Yeah, there's been some pretty bad ones. I'm pretty bad. Bad as in, Oh you didn't like funny, but there's gas first and then you laugh. Yeah. Those sort of call outs. Yeah. So, so be prepared for a campy and carnal ride, man. It is. There's a lot of fun though. It's really funny and a lot of [inaudible]. Speaker 2: 06:07 And what do you think gives Rocky horror? Its longevity cause it's been around for decades and it's still gets screened at midnights, at a lot of movie theaters around the country. Um, what's its appeal do you think? Speaker 3: 06:19 I think the appeal is that, um, the issues haven't gone away. The, um, issues of sexuality, of accepting yourself as you are of, um, body image. Our cast is shapes and sizes and they're all beautiful. You know, I don't go, Oh, you know, I'm going to cover up anyone. I'm not going to do that. We're all all beautiful and we're all different. Um, and I, and I think those aspects still still resonate. I think people are still still struggling with, um, um, identity. And so when they go and see this, they see it's all right. It's all right. Speaker 2: 06:50 Well, and it's for somebody younger. I, you, you came to the play, um, not having really liked the film that much, but so does the place speak to you? Yeah, no, definitely. I think it's a, it's just a good blend of just like crazy spectacle and just like, you know, an hour, 45 minutes of just like good time. But then also it's, um, it's like the show itself isn't that deep, but it's just, it's cool to see all these different people just being free onstage and just like the, the message of don't dream it, be it. I just think it's such a powerful, Speaker 3: 07:22 that's actually a better answer because that's the song. Don't, don't have dream it, be it. Be yourself. Embrace who you are, your irreverence. And uniqueness. I mean, if that's the message of it, it's, it's right there when Frank says, don't dream it, be it, be whoever you you want to be and there's nothing wrong with it. Yeah. Use that. That's better. Speaker 2: 07:42 The mine, that was Beth OCHA, Mondo speaking with Michael, ms Ronnie and Hunter Brown about the Rocky horror show that runs through March 1st at OB Playhouse.