Local Reactions To Kamala Harris’ Pick, Nearly 2,000 Californians Evicted During Pandemic, Black And Latino Neighborhoods Hit With Triple COVID-19 Whammy, And Tiki Oasis

Speaker 1: 00:00 California leaders react to the choice of Camila Harris for VP, Speaker 2: 00:05 The entire community and, and, and most of the African American women are really excited about that. Speaker 1: 00:12 I'm Maureen Cavenaugh with Mark sour. This is KPBS mid day edition. Another challenge is emerging for black and Brown neighborhoods. A COVID-19 testing gap, Speaker 2: 00:30 Black and Hispanic people are more likely to experience longer wait times and understaffed testing sites. When they're looking for testing, Speaker 1: 00:41 Why have there been more than a thousand evictions in California, despite a pandemic eviction moratorium, and what is more exotic than a Tiki Oasis? It's this weekend's virtual Tiki Oasis that's ahead on mid day edition Speaker 1: 01:00 Presumptive democratic candidate, Joe Biden, and his running mate, Senator Kamala Harris will make their public debut in a news conference. We'll carry live on KPBS Biden ended weeks of speculation when he announced California's first term Senator and former state attorney general Harris would join him on the 2020 ticket a Biden Harris tickets seemed the obvious choice to many after Joe Biden declared. He choose a woman as his running mate, but Camilla Harris has some spots on her record around the issue of criminal justice reform and even the settlement agreement at the San and ovaries shut down that have made Progressive's hesitate to lend their whole hearted support. After a forceful debate performance against Joe Biden moved her to the top ranks of candidates. A lack of campaign funds forced her to drop out of the presidential race, but now Kamala Harris is back in it making history as the first woman of color running for vice president on a major party ticket. Earlier today, we spoke with San Diego assembly woman, Shirley Weber about Carla Harris on the ticket. Speaker 2: 02:08 Pretty clear that an African American woman was going to be a choice. Um, there's been so much discussion in the democratic party lately about how black women have always been the most loyal and most consistent Boulder, uh, for the democratic party. And yet they've often been overlooked and overlooked for leadership and that the party could always count on on black women more than any other groups that they could count on Speaker 1: 02:32 Running us now is former candidate for San Diego County district attorney and community advocate, Genevieve Jones, right. And Genevieve, welcome to the program. Speaker 2: 02:41 Thank you so very much for having you Marie, Speaker 1: 02:44 As a black woman, what does it mean to you to have the first woman of color on the presidential ticket? Speaker 2: 02:50 For me, it is a historic moment, of course, and personally, calmly Harris has an inspiration to me. I think many people know now that I took on it heavily entrenched incumbent for district attorney in San Diego. And I watched Camila Harris as a person who went to college in San Francisco and then a person who went down her path and asking myself the question, how can I do more to advance criminal justice? Camila Harris took on a very heavily entrenched incumbent district attorney in San Francisco and she pioneered the way. And so for me personally, I see her as a leader who has offered a blueprint for progressive district attorneys even now today. And she's just been a personal source of inspiration for me during my run and even after my run. So I am very delighted that she has been chosen as vice president. Biden's running mate, do you Speaker 1: 03:54 See the choice of Camila Harris as VP as, as maybe a symbol of the growing political power of black women in the democratic party? Speaker 2: 04:04 I sure hope that it is we're in 2020 as we celebrate 100 years of women's suffrage and we celebrate what we're calling the year of the woman. It cannot be lost on us that while women have the rights of all black women, we're still disenfranchised. Black women have been the most loyal base for the democratic party. And this has been true time and time again, historically, and even now. So I hope that it is more than a symbol. I really do hope that this clears the way for other black women to come into positions of leadership all across this country. We know that when black women lead everyone rises, we are naturally nurturers. And that's what we have been from the very beginning of our place in America. And that can not be overlooked. And so while this is a historic moment, we look to November 3rd and hope that she will get the seat and that many others will follow behind her. Speaker 1: 05:17 You expect to see from Senator Harris, as the campaign continues, Speaker 2: 05:22 I expect to see her continuing to be a great leader and a pioneer. I expect to see her take on a lot of the things that have been great challenges for all of us as a country, through the Trump administration. We've seen how she has confronted that administration on the Hill. We see why she is such a prominent prosecutor. She has this tenacity about her that I believe she will bring to the white house. Of course she has extensive experience statewide experience in all of the roles that she has played. And I do not expect for her to back down. I expect for her to continue to be a fearless advocate and just a wonderful human being who stays true to her values. Speaker 1: 06:16 I've been speaking with a former candidate for San Diego County district attorney and community advocate, Genevieve Jones. Right. Thank you so much for speaking with us. Thank you for having me and fed cows are joins us now, department chair and professor of political science at UC San Diego and fed welcome happy election season morning. Same to you. Has the excitement around the historic nature of naming a woman of color on a presidential ticket, has that neutralized some of the left wing criticism of Camila Harris? Speaker 2: 06:47 I think it has be. And it's also where we are in the election season and where we are in American politics. So Kama Harris, wasn't the pick of progressive purists that was clear during the primary. She took some criticism for taking positions as attorney general in a, in a state that was still transitioning from a tough on crime approach to a smart on crime approach. She took a lot of flack for taking positions that weren't unabashedly liberal or progressive. But I think if you're looking ahead towards a general election towards convincing moderate voters and towards, uh, countering a tough on crime message from president Trump, I think this is a pick that made a lot of sense for Joe Biden, but also will quell a lot of that criticism because her record is, is the right sort of record to be running on for national office in a general election. Speaker 2: 07:37 What does she bring to the ticket? I think CommonWell Harris brings both a very strong political resume and a record of experience in, in the nation's biggest state she's been in office. She's been fully vetted by winning multiple statewide elections, but she also very importantly for Joe Biden, a 78 year old white male, she brings youth, she brings a connection to the diverse coalition that is now powering the democratic party. Um, you know, she's, she's a woman she's historic in many ways. And, and that combined with her strong debate performance, uh, her aggressive, uh, take in, in senatorial hearings and many of her issue positions that made her a very clear pick for, for Joe Biden. Speaker 1: 08:25 Now, Tony Guevara he's chair of the San Diego County Republican party, uh, issued a statement about the Harris pick. And he said, quote, we congratulate Joe Biden on picking Camila Harris as a running mate, as she brings zero substance and lots of baggage, the main being the disastrous policies of California, which we'll go over like a lead balloon in key battleground States, unquote. So is it your take that Harris has a potential liability in battleground? Speaker 2: 08:56 That's the big question. I think for many of the voters who Joe Biden is looking to energize and mobilize in battleground States, the California example is one they see is very positive, right? This is a progressive state that has provided a, a large safety net for, for everyone that has been, that it's stood up to the, to the president on immigration. And Senator Harris has been doing that in Washington DC and, and one that's been much more liberal on social justice issues than governments in, in many of those battleground States. So I think for, for voters in urban areas for younger voters, for a diverse coalition, those voters, Senator Harris is a good pick for, and for more moderate voters, blue collar, older, wider voters, they've got Joe Biden as, as appeal. So I think this is an attempt to be a balanced ticket for the Democrats. Speaker 1: 09:46 It was traditionally the vice presidential candidate who takes on most of the negative campaigning against the other side. Is there any risk in keeping up that tradition considering Harris is a black woman. Speaker 2: 09:59 I don't know whether the vice president needs to be the pit bull attack dog. The way that Joe Biden was for Barack Obama in 2008 in 2012, because Donald Trump has fairly strong negatives and you don't need to, to make, to outline that attack on him voters who don't like Donald Trump already. Don't like the president. So I don't think there's as much of a need to prosecute the case against him, which was, which was commonly Harris's line during, during the primary, because for many voters, he's, he's already done that. So I think that will give her the latitude to be, uh, more, uh, a kinder, gentler, more centrist leader rather than the pit bull of the ticket, Speaker 1: 10:42 The racially charged rhetoric that president Trump has already indulged in on a number of issues from immigration to black lives matter protests. How do you think he'll deal with Camila Harris on the democratic ticket? Speaker 2: 10:56 Well, I think what you saw, uh, in, in Tomika Mark's statement is what we've been seeing in, in many of the statements. This is someone that they're attacking as, uh, you know, as a, as really a socialist, a California strong, progressive liberal. The question is whether that attack will stick. It isn't really the political profile of Kama Harris she's run through from the center. That's been her, her, her, uh, her big problem in many ways in the primary. And the question is in this 90 day or so sprint to the general election, will she have the chance to tell her story, get that out there and fend off that attack of her as a San Francisco liberal that we're going to hear from, uh, from the Republican party. Speaker 1: 11:35 And lastly that the democratic national convention starts next week, it will be unlike any convention we've seen. What do you know about what we can expect? Speaker 2: 11:44 It's not going to be the party that it usually is. It will be made for TV as always, but it'll be much harder to make it for TV and the, is are voters going to tune in, uh, and does anyone want to spend more time in front of a screen at the end of the day? So I expect it to be it'll, it'll be virtual. It won't have that, that same atmosphere. Uh, and, and it will be a struggle for both parties with their conventions to really capture the nation's attention and ratings. I'm in speaking with fat cows or department chair, and professor of political science at UC San Diego and Thad. Once again, thank you very much. Thanks for having me. Speaker 3: 12:25 The headlines are familiar by now. Community's hit hardest by COVID-19 have residents who are predominantly black and Latino, but two recent reports also show these neighborhoods in San Diego County are suffering high unemployment, and a big gap in Corona virus testing compared with white neighborhoods. Joining me to break this down is KPBS investigative reporter Claire Traeger, sir. Welcome back to the show Claire. Well, the first report was done by news organizations and looked at major Metro areas. The key finding involved testing. Tell us about that. Speaker 4: 12:57 Right? So this was, um, done by a five 38 and ABC news. And what they did is they took data from a healthcare company called Castlight health, which is actually the company that provides data to Google maps that they use to, um, to show where you can get COVID-19 testing. And so they analyzed all of those testing sites and compared it with census block data and found that in, um, in communities of color, in many major cities, um, there's higher demand on sites for areas where people of color are more likely to live. So black and Hispanic people are more likely to experience longer wait times and understaffed, uh, testing sites. When they, when they're looking for testing, Speaker 3: 13:46 This is a function of people they're being able to get a test at a private lab for a fee, uh, what happens in poor communities, according to the press analysis? Speaker 4: 13:55 Well, so in poor communities, it's more likely to be more of a community test site, not a private test site, like you mentioned. So here in San Diego County, we have a testing sites set up by the County, but in those, you may have to wait maybe five to seven days even to just get an appointment. Um, and then maybe wait another week, or even I've heard as much as 10 days, uh, to get results, but that kind of varies. Um, you know, there are some anecdotal reports of people getting results for my County site faster than that, but it can be, you know, a couple of weeks at which point it's kind of a useless test. You know, if you're, by that time, you are maybe done with your self quarantine or you've already exposed so many people, if you do test positive versus a day or two day turnaround, which is ideally what you want Speaker 3: 14:47 And what does the County say about the disparity here in the times, the wait times and appointments and everything we're we're discussing. Speaker 4: 14:54 Sure. So they say, you know, that when, when the pandemic began, basically they tried to put more community test sites in, um, in lower income or more high minority areas. Um, and they do have a walkup test site, um, in Southeast San Diego kind of across from market Creek Plaza. So there you should, theoretically, theoretically, be able to go and get a test on the same day. You don't have to make an appointment and wait. And so they say that, you know, they've always made a pre made it a priority. The issue is that their private test sites that are not making it a priority by being located in more high-income areas, Speaker 3: 15:35 They live now, the second report was done recently by SANDAG the San Diego County association of governments. What did it find? Speaker 4: 15:42 So that report looked at, um, zip codes, uh, for unemployment rates and then for COVID-19 infection rates. And unfortunately, the finding was that zip codes, um, with have that have both the highest number of COVID-19 cases and the highest unemployment rates are in again, um, more, uh, lower income and high minority parts of the County, like South Bay, city Heights, um, Southeast San Diego were more black and Latino people live. Um, and so the five zip codes that were hit the worst by unemployment and COVID-19 are nine one nine one one in Chula Vista nine one nine three two in Imperial beach nine one nine five zero in national city. And then nine two zero two zero and nine two zero two two one, which are both in alcohol phone. Um, and the report also found that black and Latino populations are almost three times as likely to live in areas that have been impacted by COVID-19 and unemployment as white populations. Speaker 3: 16:51 And you interviewed Ray major chief economist at SANDAG, what was his response? Speaker 4: 16:56 So he says, you know, that they, they do these reports because they really want to bring attention to it. Um, you know, alert local officials that, that this is what, what is going on. And he was talking about that, you know, we need, in addition to plans for dealing with these current crises, right now, we need more longterm plans because even, you know, say the pandemic goes away in a year or something like that, the economic impacts are going to be much longer and they're going to continue to hit the same areas. Um, the same areas of the County, that the word, Speaker 3: 17:34 Uh, the Chicano Federation weighed in as well, what was their response? Speaker 4: 17:38 So they've been pushing the County for a long time to do more, and they feel like, at least now, um, the County is finally kind of stepping up to that. They've given some they've, uh, done a contract with some different community organizations to set up a community resource center where people can call and say, you know, for example, maybe a contact tracer call someone and they don't really understand, or they are skeptical of, of who's this person from the government calling. So then they can call a community resource center and say, what's the deal with this? Why did this person call me? Or they can help get help, you know, with I'm asking for rent relief, utility relief, um, unemployment, all of those things. So the Nancy Maldonado from the Chicano Federation says, she's glad that the County is doing this. Now. She wishes that they had done it earlier. Speaker 3: 18:32 Yes. Well, it's a fascinating thing and I'm sure we'll be doing a lot more reporting on this as we go along. I've been speaking with KPBS, investigative reporter, Claire Traeger, sir. Thanks Claire. Thank you. This is KPBS mid day edition. I'm Mark Sauer with Maureen Kavanaugh with many Californians losing their jobs in the pandemic state leaders issued a moratorium on evicting tenants, but that order is not altogether clear. It's been enforced inconsistently in counties across the state in some 1600 Californians have been evicted since March as result, including at least 99 households here in San Diego County. Joining me is Matt Levin data and housing reporter for the new site. Cal matters. Matt, welcome to midday edition. Thanks for having me. Well, many of us following the news since COVID-19 hit believe renters, who've lost jobs and income had been protected from being evicted, at least till now, but your sh your story shows, that's not the case. Start with the moratorium. It reveals this directive is clear as mud. Speaker 5: 19:43 Yeah, I think that's a decent characterization. So what the state moratorium data, and there were kind of multiple moratoriums, some from the governor Newsome's administration, and then some from the judicial council, which is the governing body of the state court system. And those essentially shut down, um, eviction proceedings in cases where tenants could demonstrate a negative financial impact from, uh, from COVID from the virus. Um, but what wasn't addressed was all of these cases that actually had already gone through the court system and were simply waiting for Sheriff's departments to decide whether to perform the eviction, to physically come and lock the tenants out. So, um, we, uh, we issued public records requests for basically every Sheriff's department in the state to get a handle on. Okay. So just how many Californians were in that exact situation. Maybe they were laid on a February payment or March rent payment, but the Sheriff's still came and kicked them out of their homes in the middle of a lethal pandemic. Speaker 3: 20:53 Yeah. And that's where it, uh, it does really get murky, uh, explain how difficult it is to get clear and complete numbers on evictions across all California counties, San Diego's numbers are likely out of date and, uh, it can get confusing. Speaker 5: 21:06 Yeah, that's that's right. So there, there really isn't any centralized data source for the number of evictions that happen, period. Um, even in pre pandemic times, we submitted public records requests to get that data. Um, not all, uh, Sheriff's departments responded in time for us to publish the story. So that number, that 1600 household number is, you know, likely a significant underestimate of the number of people who had to leave their homes. Since governor Newsome declared a state of emergency on March 4th, San Diego was one of the Sheriff's departments that actually got back to us relatively quickly. Um, and it did show that they had performed a significant number of evictions since March 4th, Speaker 3: 21:52 People are yelling at each other, if it's a, if they're upset, Speaker 5: 21:55 That's that's exactly right. Yeah. So at least, you know, in most of the Sheriff's departments, we talked to deputies, worry, equipped at least later on with PPE, but in humble County up there in the North coast, um, it was optional for Sheriff's deputies to wear mask. And so there was a specific anecdote we have in the story where, um, there was a tenant, um, a couple who was being evicted. They had friends and family members helping them move. And the two Sheriff's deputies showed up without mass. Um, and it was a highly charged environment where people were yelling at each other and you can public health experts. That's a situation that they desperately want to avoid, right. A group of people, some of them screaming, um, and then physically being removed from the place where they're instructed to shelter Speaker 3: 22:49 Sheriff's departments from one County to the next deal with evictions differently, even city to city within a County, the rules vary, right? It's it makes it very confusing all the way across the board. Speaker 5: 23:00 That's right. And Sheriff's departments aren't especially happy about that. So in the absence of kind of a clear state directive, it was up to individuals Sheriff's departments as to whether to pursue these evictions. And there were obviously public health concerns, um, for the counties writ large, but also for individuals Sheriff's deputies. So, um, in Kings County, in the central Valley, um, the Sheriff's department there, once governor knew some shelter in place, order came down, they said, you know what? We are not going to do any more evictions period, unless it's a case of domestic violence or some other threat to public health and safety, other Sheriff's departments had a different legal interpretation of what was coming down from the state. And they decided, you know what, we are going to go ahead with these evictions, even though that involves, you know, deputies going house to house on the same day often, um, in sometimes highly charged emotional situations where it might be difficult to observe social distancing guidelines. Speaker 3: 24:02 And you said the Sheriff's departments aren't keen on the whole situation as it's gone along. What about advocates for both renters and landlords? Speaker 5: 24:10 So advocates for renters are especially unhappy with this. Um, although they they've somewhat given up on trying to fix this specific loophole as their attention now turns to preventing this eviction cliff for tenants that were financially impacted, um, from COVID, but, you know, tenants groups have lobbied way back in March when the, uh, when the virus first hit California to have governor Newsome or attorney general Bissera, uh, instruct Sheriff's departments just don't do any evictions whatsoever and accepting cases of, um, public health and safety emergencies. So I think from governor Newsome's perspective, as well as the attorney general hobby or Sarah, I think there was some fear that if they did explicitly instruct sheriffs not to do lock outs, that they would run into some legal challenges in terms of overstepping their constitutional authority, even in times of a public emergency. Um, as far as landlords, you know, landlords kind of rightly say, Hey, look, you know, we don't want to add to any type of public health, right by evicting people. But if you're forcing us to keep these tenants in our homes, we are bearing the financial cost of that. Speaker 3: 25:29 It seems like our homeless crisis figures to get even worse soon with all of this on a question, is there any indication the moratorium will be extended or ended? Can we expect some clarity to emerge regarding late rent and evictions? Speaker 5: 25:43 So we had some news from the judicial council actually yesterday, they are, um, a signal that they are going to allow eviction court to resume, uh, starting September 1st, earlier, there were fears that they might lift the moratorium on eviction cases as early as this Friday. Um, but state lawmakers and governor Newsome lobbied, uh, the judicial council and particularly the state Supreme court, chief justice to hold off on that. So what that means is that state lawmakers and use them have a few weeks here to iron out some type of legislative solution that will protect tenants from eviction and, uh, compensate landlords in, in some matter, the compensating landlords part is the difficult part because the state does not have money, right. We were facing a $54 billion deficit and the federal government hasn't come up with new money yet for States to use, to combat COVID. Speaker 5: 26:43 So they're trying to figure out a way to deal with this, and he very compressed timeframe. Um, no deal has emerged yet. There's a couple of proposals in the legislature, but the details have yet to be worked out. So it'll be a very, very busy couple of weeks here, um, for both the state lawmakers and governor Newsome. Well, lots of news to follow up on, on this specific, a very thorny issue in California. I've been speaking with reporter Matt Levin of the new site. Cal matters. Thanks very much, Matt, thank you so much. We reached out to the San Diego County Sheriff's department to find out if it is continuing to carry out evictions. A spokesperson said the department carried out 12 evictions in July, and they are currently looking at processing pre COVID evictions, Tiki Oasis can't hold its in person event. So it's hosting a full virtual weekend or instead KPBS arts reporter, Beth Huck Amando finds out how you can escape quarantine this weekend. By speaking with the event creators and coordinators, Otto and baby dove on Stroh, Haim, Speaker 6: 27:50 Tiki Oasis celebrates being together and having cocktails and being outdoors. So what is it like trying to create a virtual version of this? You know, there's something fun about bringing people together. And of course that's great to do in person. And that's a big part of what TQA SIS is. But as we're exploring this virtual world, we realize that you still can come back together in a variety of different ways. And so, you know, as we were thinking about them virtual event, we thought of it almost like how we plan our in person event, which is a variety of different ways for people to connect. So there's everything from education. You can learn something new, try something new and there's opportunities just to kind of be silly and hang out, wearing your like Aloha, where and caftan wear and running around and just having like your own fashion strolls in your own living room to really just, you know, being entertained. So, you know, we're presenting some of our favorite bands and some of our favorite performers and just, you know, kind of creating an experience like an immersive experience virtually is a unique, but it can't be done. I think. Speaker 5: 29:01 And the funny thing is, um, a lot of people, more people can come, like a lot of people can come from around the world. So people that might not have been able to make it can tune in. And so, you know, you could have more people there then than we ever had before. So it's interesting. Speaker 6: 29:15 How do you define what Tiki Oasis is and the kind of things people can find at the virtual Tiki Oasis? Speaker 5: 29:23 I mean, it still is what has always been, even though it's online, it's a meeting place for people who are into mid century Polynesian pop. So if you appreciate architecture and you appreciate ramen cocktails, tropical cocktails and mixology, uh, you appreciate Hawaiian shirts and Aloha aware this Speaker 6: 29:42 Isn't the place to be. You know, that's where you're going to find your tribe. And, you know, we've had a location and met at a location, but we can also meet online. So it's still the Tiki gathering place for the tribe. And when people come and they attend these meetings and they're online and they're on a zoom, they can interact with people, you know, and they can meet new people and they can chat with people and, and, uh, you know, make new friends still online. One of the things about Tiki Oasis is people really get decked out for this, the clothes, the hair. So in the virtual online version of this are people, do you think people are going to be dressing up and getting their hair done? Are we going to be able to see each other at these events and enjoy that aspect of, yeah. Speaker 6: 30:29 Tiki wastes is definitely has a little bit of a C C people will watch people and be seen. Um, so that's a big part of it is that, um, a lot of folks will just, uh, start collecting a low high where all year long with the idea in mind, like, what hat am I going to wear? What dress am I going to wear? What earrings am I going to wear at TQ Oasis? And so we thought that was actually a big part of, um, this event as we went and virtuals. So we have a couple different ways that we're doing now. We have some meetups that are happening where people can see each other. Um, and we're also doing even like our, we're doing a late night room party. Um, that's a dance party kind of idea. And the concept with that is that people are all going to be in the zoom and they'll get to see each other and see what other people are wearing, what they're drinking, how they may be decorated their living room. Speaker 6: 31:18 Um, so we're bringing a little bit of that to life, but maybe an even a, a broader way because people get to share not just what they're wearing and what they look like, but, um, maybe even like their home and how they decorate, um, and, and how they express themselves in other ways beyond just the event. But the meetup, like the fashion, the biggest fashion meetup is going to be a outdoor parade with the caftan society. So that's actually a virtual parade. So the idea with, um, our Aloha caftan society is a group of men and women, um, who actually wear these like, uh, a caftan outfits, which was kind of like a, um, almost like a square dress in a way, same, same as always, we're going to have our caftan parade, but instead of stressing around together, um, we'll be doing it, um, through a zoom call and people can also watch that on other channels that we have streaming content like Twitch or Facebook, so, or YouTube. Speaker 6: 32:15 So we'll have a few different ways that people can connect and watch 'em if they're not participating, but if they choose to be part of it, they can zoom in and we'll spotlight their different outfits and everybody construct their stuff. What kind of symposiums or panels or virtual things can people sign up for? What's the diversity or the, you know, kind of the breadth of things that are going to be available on Tiki basis.com? We have listed all of our virtual events. So we are spotlighting a couple of different seminars. Um, we have, uh, uh, David, dr. Skipper Marley, who is going to do a seminar on Disney, goes Tiki. Um, he used to be a skipper for the jungle cruise in Disneyland. So he has some really great stories and some insight into like what that, um, what it's like there. Um, we're also doing a virtual marketplace. Yeah. So our virtual marketplace has over 50 vendors. So it's going to be opportunity to shop, shop, shop, and support small businesses, support, um, artists and keeping, you know, Tiki spirit alive. Speaker 3: 33:23 Yeah. So in our vendor marketplace, you get to talk to these people. So just, just the way you would add actual, real in-person show, you can walk up to them and talk to them on the zoom. Well, I want, thank you. Speaker 6: 33:34 Thank you very much for talking about virtual Tiki Oasis. Thanks so much. Speaker 3: 33:39 Thanks Pat. That was Beth Huck. Amando speaking with Otto and baby dove on Stroh Hein, the virtual TKI Oasis T V kicks off on Friday. You can go to Tiki oasis.com for more information.