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San Diego Tea Party Activitists Ready To Rally On Tax Day

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Aired 4/15/10

San Diego Tea Party activists are gearing up for Tax Day rallies around San Diego County. The demonstrations are part of a nationwide movement against taxes and government spending. There are at least seven rallies planned in the county, and more than 75 statewide.

Demonstrators gather at an American Family Association (AFA)-sponsored T.E.A. (Taxed Enough Already) Party to protest taxes and economic stimulus spending on the last day to file state and federal income tax returns, April 15, 2009 in Santa Monica, California.
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Above: Demonstrators gather at an American Family Association (AFA)-sponsored T.E.A. (Taxed Enough Already) Party to protest taxes and economic stimulus spending on the last day to file state and federal income tax returns, April 15, 2009 in Santa Monica, California.

— Thousands of Tea Party activists are gearing up for Tax Day rallies around San Diego County. The demonstrations are part of a nationwide movement against taxes and government spending. There are at least seven rallies planned in the county, and more than 75 statewide.

While some San Diego residents are scrambling to mail their taxes, others will be on street corners rallying for lower taxes and government reform.

The Oceanside-based Tea Party group Stop Taxing Us is holding its second annual rally at the Oceanside Pier Amphitheater. Spokeswoman Dana Matas said 5,000 protesters showed up last year. She's hoping this year’s event will draw even more.

"This out-of-control spending is a really scary thing. Particularly for parents who have children and what that means for their grandchildren," said Matas. "We don’t want them so burdened with taxes that they don’t feel the desire or motivation to achieve what we’ve all come to know as the American Dream."

While Tea Partiers are rallying, the newly-formed Coffee Party will be brewing up a quieter discussion. Shane Finneran, the San Diego chapter leader, said the Coffee Party started its own movement for change because they were turned off by the Tea Party’s loud, anti-government protests.

"We prefer to take the opportunity for less division in politics," he said. "We’re all accustomed to the idea of left vs. right, Democrat vs. Republican, maybe even coffee vs. tea. The truth is, it’s so much of that "A vs. B" stuff – it’s just a distraction from the real issue. And the chief issue is how we can work together to mend our system," he said.

Activists on both sides agree they’ve emerged for similar reasons. They hope to get their messages out and make an impact well beyond tax day.

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Avatar for user 'techsnaps'

techsnaps | April 14, 2010 at 10:22 p.m. ― 4 years, 6 months ago

So these people are going to show up to protest the fact that 90%+ of Americans received a tax CUT last year (notice your bigger refund this time)?

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Beau | April 15, 2010 at 8:26 a.m. ― 4 years, 6 months ago

Yes there were some temporary tax cuts this year. However, the people are protesting the fact that the next generation is going to pick up the tab for all of the spending that is going on.

temporary tax cuts + more spending = huge debt for the next generation

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techsnaps | April 15, 2010 at 2:43 p.m. ― 4 years, 6 months ago

Really? So where were these guys four years ago under Bush when we had nearly $1.5 trillion in supposedly permanent tax cuts with unchecked spending and no one yelling about the deficit? I guess "spend and spend" isn't a big deal when the GOP is in power but when when a democrat gets elected, these guys go nuts when similar measures are in place (except Obama apparently will eliminate the tax cut on the extremely wealthy to bring revenue back).

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bigdprender | April 15, 2010 at 4:57 p.m. ― 4 years, 6 months ago

Like most greedy Americans, they were spending that money and living beyond their means...and now we are all paying for it in the form of a deep recession.

Unfortunately, Dem and Rep alike would need to spend big to get out of this economic mess. Now the midlife crisis Teabaggers have a cause to take up: protecting the division of social classes.

They hate on immigrants, although there are none in their upper-middle-class, white, suburban neighborhoods. They hate on the unemployed who have no health insurance. They hate on the government for allowing an intelligent, black leader move our country two steps forward rather than leaving it in its downward, conservative spiral.

I like that Obama made health insurance for all a priority. (I have excellent insurance personally, and I could be impacted by this big time. But I'm willing to make sacrifices for others.) How will it be paid for? He has forced the country to find a way to pay for it and by doing so, give up so much unnecessary spending in the coming years. That's what you call focusing on your priorities. Something our ADD nation has been failing at for years.

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Beau | April 15, 2010 at 6:14 p.m. ― 4 years, 6 months ago

Easy on the generalizations...

The "teabaggers" protested when Bush signed the TARP bailout bill - so it’s not about which political party, but about minimizing the size of our government.

I guess our fight for independence was also about preserving the division of social classes. Why else would people protest a government that becomes so large that it suffocates the lives of its citizens?

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Comradebananahead | April 16, 2010 at 3:32 a.m. ― 4 years, 6 months ago

I think that tea baggers should get tea bagged. They are proselytizers of false consciousness among working people, that is, they promote false ideas which have the function of getting working people -- the majority -- to to go against their own interests by supporting the lopsided capitalist system here in the US in which they have no stake in perpetuating. By perpetuating it, they perpetuate their own oppression and exploitation (as well as those exploited and oppressed by US imperialism abroad). Capitalism in the US is like a game of Monopoly that was already won a long time ago by somebody else. Sorry, too bad, so sad -- they won it before you were born. If you're anybody but the Monopoly game winners or their heirs, then your reward is a lifetime of servitude to the foregoing. Thinking that you're one day going to be one of them is *false consciousness,* and the sooner that working people start realizing this, the sooner we can get in the 'driver's seat' of society, and organize it along lines more favorable to our interests.

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randolphslinky | April 16, 2010 at 9:30 a.m. ― 4 years, 6 months ago

"Comradebananahead" said it well, as well as a few other smart people here.

The Republican party doesn't represent the middle class or poor, they frame it that way, but it's a lie. These Tea Partiers are so misinformed, and in many cases just willfully ignorant of the facts.

What can we do to help them? With Faux News and AM radio spewing daily misinformation, and to a segment that never reads anything other than the Bible, it's hard to know.

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benz72 | April 16, 2010 at 12:21 p.m. ― 4 years, 6 months ago

Bananahead, Is it really your intention to claim that there is no social mobility in the US? If so then I have to disagree with the statement.

Prender, How do you conclude that advocating a policy of reduced government and fiscal responsibility implies that a group "hates (on) immigrants and the unemployed"? Hating the part of government spending that one sees as wasteful is a fairly common trait, but I see a claim that one "hates (on) the government" for allowing a black president to spend that money as difficult to support. I would fully expect that were identical policies signed into law by a white or purple president they would be protested against as well.

Slinky, Which specific facts do you believe the entire party to be ignorant of? Many real events have facts that support conflicting conclusions. Is it not possible that they simply have other opinions of what the facts imply, or believe different facts more correctly describe the situation?

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Stan522 | April 17, 2010 at 11:22 a.m. ― 4 years, 6 months ago

Techsnaps, I am glad you asked. The argument you make that something should have been said, or done during bush is understandable and valid and I agree. However, in reality, something should have been said many years before that. With the emergence of obama, we essentially have the boiling frog jumping out of the water. Like most other Americans, I was not paying attention to the degree I am now. This may be just like you were. Or, you and I were looking at this from a "Democrat" versus "Republican" perspective, where we were quicker to forgive, or ignore the blemishes of our own party and blast the other side. Not any more.

Back to the TEA Party, which is what you have responded to. I strongly believe that the renewed focus and drive towards "paying attention" is what the TEA Party movement is all about. This movement directly confronts the power establishment in Washington DC and state and local governments. No wonder this movement is getting blasted, ridiculed, marginalized, called racist (the ultimate progressive trump card), and violence is beginning to be waged against its members. This is the ultimate power struggle. Certainly democrats and to some extent republicans are all concerned with their free-run rampage being dismantled. The only question is are we in this for the long-haul. Can we take our country back from these politicians? I don't know.

As for this "D" versus "R" argument, it is time to stop that focus and realize our freedoms have been under an incremental attack from both sides for many years. Hopefully, this movement can demonstrate this fact to those who not currently believers. I would welcome you.

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Stan522 | April 18, 2010 at 10:40 a.m. ― 4 years, 6 months ago

I find it interesting that those who identify themselves as within the TEA Party movement are being called a name that represents a "gay" act (teabagger's). Those who use this word in an "expletive" manner are hurling this as a derogatory statement. In essence, those who use it in this case are trying to insult these people with that word. It seems inconsistent to use that word to knock someone when in essence by using it to demean, you are also demeaning your homosexual brothers. I really think it is the progressives who are homophobic, not the other way around. You can't have it both ways.

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bigdprender | April 19, 2010 at 11:54 a.m. ― 4 years, 6 months ago

Keep an open mind and you'll realize teabagging is not strictly reserved for "gays".

I applaud the various groups acting as gov't. watchdogs. Even better when they appear relatively organized. But this movement has become a conservative bandwagon for those opposing healthcare reform, nothing more and nothing less.

The opportunity to change healthcare was seized by the current administration. Let's give them a chance to succeed, rather than dooming them to failure.

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Stan522 | April 19, 2010 at 2:50 p.m. ― 4 years, 6 months ago

Are you trying to tell me that the term "teabaging" is a complimentary term, or is it what I believe you and others are trying to hurl, which is in insult? If it is an insult, I am left with no other choice with that you are using the "gay" meaning behind it. Either way, you seem to be setting a double standard when throwing your gay brethren into this discussion. When I read other postings and blogs from "progressive" writers, I see the connotation connected to the gay side of this verb, not the straight. This just seems inconsistent.

Health care is a big one, but if I have my history right, the TEA Party showed up on the scene well before health care was seriously debated. I believe it came around obama's first stimulus, or the omnibus bill and that all hit the fan because bush went and bailed out AIG and had his own stimulus all mounting over trillions of dollars. This has all been building up and then obama put it in hyper-drive. That is what started the TEA Party movement.

I think the issue people have with now government taking over this segment of business is that history says they cannot do it. The Post Office in 2009 had a net loss of $7 billion. Add to it that medicare's total unfunded liability is $89 trillion and social security has an unfunded liability of $18 trillion, if one is paying any attention to all of this, they would quickly surmise that government has a history at failing. Why would anyone what them to solve health care issues?

I saw a CBS poll just shortly before the health bill was voted on by the house. It read that 91% of Americans surveyed did not like the current bill that ultimately passed. I would have to say this looks more like tyranny than a representative republic, let alone a democracy. My hunch is this will be repealed.

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randolphslinky | April 19, 2010 at 3:19 p.m. ― 4 years, 6 months ago

@benz72
The Tea Partier's biggest complaint (thus the Tea Party reference) appears to be taxes. No more taxes they say - the fact is taxes have been cut – for almost everyone. They are at historic lows.

Is it the deficit they're angry about? Bush ran up a huge deficit with an illegal war to boot - nothing but the sounds of crickets from people like the Tea Partiers when he was in office. Suddenly they're on fire about spending. Hmmm?

Maybe it's healthcare. God forbid that those insurance companies can't continue to rape us for access to the world's greatest health care, or deny us coverage when it's too much money for them. We can't have that can we now?

Maybe it's because just a little over a year ago our nation was nearly in a panic over an economy that was about to collapse and yet Obama pulled us out of that nose dive? Bush by the way approved of the bail outs as well. Unsavory as it was, it was likely at least in part necessary. We may never know for sure what would have happened had Obama not seen this through.

I could go on. These are some tough times for a lot of people, but some of the anger the Tea Partiers display is misguided and isn't tempered with any justice considering the circumstances that Obama has inherited with this presidency. Facts have to be taken in context of the times, I think the facts taken in context of the times make the Tea Partiers seem a little hypocritical and ridiculous with their complaints.

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bigdprender | April 20, 2010 at 7:45 a.m. ― 4 years, 6 months ago

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Stan522 | April 20, 2010 at 8:30 p.m. ― 4 years, 6 months ago

I presume you have an open mind, so please read this article (http://blog.heritage.org/2009/02/12/when-a-tax-cut-isnt-a-tax-cut/ ). It was originally published a year ago. Those "tax cuts" you refer to were either a rebate (for instance, I get an extra $13.00 rebated to me each paycheck), or temporary and small. I sure would not describe this as a tax cut. Here is where reality hits home. With bush giving $84 billion to bail out AIG, GWB coming (with congressional approval) up with over $700 billion for TARP, then obama coming up with over another $700 billion for his stimulus, closely followed by congresses “omnibus spending bill of over $400 billion, I believe those who claim to be TEA Party members are convinced tax increases (not to mention hyper-inflation) is just around the corner. Sure taxes are an issue, but I wouldn’t say I’ve heard it at the top. The issues as I have heard when quizzing TEA Party members at events are as follows:

-That the government is growing out of control and must be stopped through our current electoral process
-That both republicans and democrats are at fault
-That the US Constitution has and is being violated by opportunist politicians and we have allowed this to happen
-That far too often politics is corrupt and we no longer will accept it
-That back-room deals and bartering for votes may have been the way of the past, but is no longer acceptable
-That government is not the answer, but the problem
-That traditional media is Dead-On-Arrival to this movement, our government, and the root cause to today's problems
-Those that follow the TEA Party movement have issues with bush. Using him as the reason to justify what obama is doing isn't credible. He sucks too.

Now, if you want to hear some more reasonable suggestions on a better way to deal with health coverage, I can provide. I have some experience in the health services industry. I too agree insurance companies are not necessarily our friend. There are better ways outside of the debacle that passed recently.

I believe you put too much faith in politicians. They all are screwing us. Just curious on how long this inherited problem gives your guy a free pass. At some point in time his policies have blame. When?

So what did bigprender have to say that got him shot by the comment police?

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benz72 | April 21, 2010 at 9:58 a.m. ― 4 years, 6 months ago

Slinky, I think you may be reading the Tea=Taxes correlation too strictly. While there is something to be said for the current state of taxation, it is the anticipation of greatly increased future taxation based on continuous deficit spending that is the larger concern.
Regardless of who is signing the checks and what they are buying with it, there is simply too much money being spent to be sustainable. This is the real issue. Spending must be reduced (which implies that in the long run the bills for that avoided spending need not be paid with taxes).

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tanyourcan | April 21, 2010 at 12:07 p.m. ― 4 years, 6 months ago

Tax & spend Democrats. May I repeat: TAX & SPEND DEMOCRATS. There is a reason for that handle. Historically, that is the way they've governed financially. Plus the farther the left you go.... the more taxing and spending. Obama, Pelosi, and Reid and their followers are on a real tear, arn't they. I hope the country learns their lesson. When will Liberals learn that throwing money at problems does not solve them. When all the dust clears, we'll find that we still have the same problems and now a new one - trillions of more debt to pay off and larger ineffective government to entitle and finance.
Thank God for the tea party movement to try and put a stop to this until we can get a new President and Congress.
Furthermore, we now know that 50% of citizens pay no federal taxes. How far up can this go before there is no more money from the people with the jobs and opportunities? At some point, they will fight back, shut down, or just leave. Great road to go down, huh?

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benz72 | April 21, 2010 at 12:13 p.m. ― 4 years, 6 months ago

"Furthermore, we now know that 50% of citizens pay no federal taxes."
Can you cite this please? It sounds unbelievably large.

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Stan522 | April 21, 2010 at 3:43 p.m. ― 4 years, 6 months ago

50% don't pay Federal Income Tax..... Isn't there a CNN survey that posed the question to Americans if they believe the amount of taxes they pay is fair? I think that was also 50%, so no wonder, the 50% who pay nothing believe it to be fair!

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Stan522 | April 21, 2010 at 9:36 p.m. ― 4 years, 6 months ago

benz72: actually, the number is closer to 47%. Here is the AP news article:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Nearly-half-of-US-households-apf-1105567323.html?x=0&.v=1

There is also a report out just a few weeks ago that said around 50% of Americans believe our tax system is fair..... Probably the same folks that pay NOTHING. Hey, maybe this is why there are millions of Americans who are either members, or agree with members of the TEA Party.

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benz72 | April 22, 2010 at 9:16 a.m. ― 4 years, 6 months ago

To abide by the prohibition against profanity on these boards I will refrain from describing my thoughts on the wisdom of taxing only half the population. $50K and -$13 tax liability seems ridiculously difficult to maintain with a $12+ trillion debt. How will we pay this down if we do not cut spending?

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Stan522 | April 22, 2010 at 9:32 a.m. ― 4 years, 6 months ago

Answer: It's unsustainable. I've read many possible reason why this is the path our country's leaders chose to "fix" the problems. From government stupidity, to purposefully trying to wreck the economy, so to deploy even more government solutions (take-overs) to solve the problems. This path is unequivocally a path to a socialistic government.

For those who just simply don't understand the various forms of government, I highly suggest you view this video". It is short and educational and will help everyone understand where we are.

It is clear that we are on the wrong track.

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randolphslinky | April 22, 2010 at 2:02 p.m. ― 4 years, 6 months ago

It's easier to tell a lie than it is to tell the truth
It's easier to kill a fly than it is to turn it loose
It's easier to criticize somebody else
Than to see yourself

It's easier to give a sigh and be like all the rest
Who stand around and crucify you while you do your best
It's easier to see the books upon the shelf
Than to see yourself

It's easier to hurt someone and make them cry
Than it is to dry their eyes
I got tired of fooling around with other people's lies
Rather I'd find someone that's true

It's easier to say you won't than it is to feel you can
It's easier to drag your feet than it is to be a man
It's easier to look at someone else's wealth
Than to see yourself

George Harrison - See Yourself

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CaliforniaDefender | April 22, 2010 at 2:41 p.m. ― 4 years, 6 months ago

Take a look at this interesting visual reminder of the direction we are headed:

http://www.usdebtclock.org

Our nation is circling the drain.

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Stan522 | April 23, 2010 at 5:47 a.m. ― 4 years, 6 months ago

Here is a nice little AP story that broke yesterday. Outside of a few who emotionally post here, is anyone surprised? Oh, but I'm sure AP is lying, so go ahead and keep living in your gopher holes.

Report says health care will cover more, cost more

By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Barack Obama's health care overhaul law is getting a mixed verdict in the first comprehensive look by neutral experts: More Americans will be covered, but costs are also going up.

Economic experts at the Health and Human Services Department concluded in a report issued Thursday that the health care remake will achieve Obama's aim of expanding health insurance - adding 34 million to the coverage rolls.

But the analysis also found that the law falls short of the president's twin goal of controlling runaway costs, raising projected spending by about 1 percent over 10 years. That increase could get bigger, since Medicare cuts in the law may be unrealistic and unsustainable, the report warned.

It's a worrisome assessment for Democrats.

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