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Fluoridation In San Diego Hits A Snag


Aired 1/7/11

The communist plot has been delayed. Okay, I’m kidding. I just can’t resist a mention of the movie “Dr. Strangelove” when talking about fluoridation of water, which has been postponed in San Diego.

— The communist plot has been delayed. Okay, I’m kidding. I just can’t resist a mention of the movie “Dr. Strangelove” when talking about fluoridation of water. (General Jack D. Ripper thought it was a plot to undermine our bodily fluids.) The City of San Diego was set to begin fluoridation last month. But D-Day (Dec. 22) was postponed due to workplace safety concerns.

Jim McVeigh is senior supervisor at the Otay water treatment plant, one of three water plants in San Diego where fluoridation systems have been installed. Fluoridation requires adding hydroflourosilicic acid to the water supply. McVeigh says that chemical is safe in drinking water, at controlled levels, but dangerous when handled in bulk by water-plant employees.

“The chlorine in the water is also a bit dangerous to work with,” said McVeigh. “Most everything we deal with in large plants – the concentration is the issue. This is true of caustic soda we use to raise PH levels. These are chemicals that you have to treat with some respect.”

He couldn’t give me a date certain when fluoridation systems will be switched on in San Diego. But McVeigh was comfortable saying it would happen in the “next couple of months.”

I grew up in the Midwest, understanding that water supplies were fluoridated to give kids healthy teeth. I was surprised to learn, when I moved to San Diego 12 years ago, that fluoride had yet to arrive. Over the years of covering local news I’ve hosted radio talk shows about water fluoridation in which people called in with paranoid views that sounded very similar to General Ripper’s vision of communist infiltration. The callers also thought it would undermine our health.

It’s true that high levels of water fluoridation can cause fluorosis of the teeth, which produces a mottled dental surface that may be aesthetically unpleasing. Seriously high levels of fluoridation can cause skeletal fluorosis, which can damage bones and joints. But McVeigh says that’s not going to happen at the level of fluoridation the city will use, which will be .9 parts per million. Keep in mind that San Diego’s water supply already has a naturally-occurring fluoride content of .37 parts per million.

The lack of fluoridation in the Golden State was addressed in a piece of legislation called AB 733, passed in 1995, which said large municipal water systems must provide fluoridation if funding is provided by some outside source. In the case of San Diego that outside source is the First Five Commission, which got the grant funding from the California Endowment and the Proposition 10 tobacco tax.

Ellie Nadler, with the San Diego Fluoridation Commission, says California has been slow to go the fluoridation route. Nationwide, 70 percent of Americans get fluoridated water through the tap. Nadler is a dental hygienist who says the fluoride in saliva counteracts the effects of bacteria, and prevents tooth decay, by replacing minerals that are lost in the tooth enamel.

I asked McVeigh what he thought about fluoridation, this pending piece of San Diego water-treatment history. Will this strike a huge blow for oral and dental hygiene? Are we leaving behind the paranoia of the past?

He said while he had some personal views on the matter, he preferred to keep them to himself. “We have to do this, so we’re doing it,” said McVeigh.

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nyscof | January 6, 2011 at 12:37 p.m. ― 6 years, 1 month ago

Clearly Ellie Nadler is not up on current fluoride science as the CDC reports that the fluoride that emerges from saliva is to low to have an beneficial effect

The CDC says:“Fluoride works primarily after teeth have erupted…”“The concentration of fluoride in ductal saliva, as it is secreted from salivary glands, is low --- approximately 0.016 parts per million (ppm) in areas where drinking water is fluoridated and 0.006 ppm in nonfluoridated areas.

“This concentration of fluoride is not likely to affect cariogenic activity”

“The prevalence of dental caries in a population is not inversely related to the concentration of fluoride in enamel, and a higher concentration of enamel fluoride is not necessarily more efficacious in preventing dental caries.”
Fluoride is neither a nutrient nor essential for healthy teeth. Like all drugs, fluoride has side effects. See http://www.FluorideAction.Net/health

Contact your San Diego Councilor tell him or her that you don't them to put fluoride into your body via the water supply.

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sparrowdancer | January 6, 2011 at 2:22 p.m. ― 6 years, 1 month ago

Mr. Fudge, "seriously high levels" of any type of fluoride will cause multiple organ failure and death. The type of fluoride that is primarily poured into the municipal drinking waters is an industrial waste product that is being sold to cities by the phosphate fertilizer industry. The waste product generally contains approx. 23% fluoride, and the rest of the liquid "product" contains other contaminants not wanted by the fertilizer industry, including radionuclides, polonium at unknown levels. One of the largest producers of fluoride wastes is IMC Global/Mosaic. (Look up their SEC report, in which they brag about this.) One of the largest distributors of fluoride wastes is the Lucier Company. The sale of fluoride wastes is a very profitable business, primarily because they are selling garbage and hoping folks like you will call the rest of us "paranoid" for not wanting to drink it.

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Concernedobserver | January 6, 2011 at 6:19 p.m. ― 6 years, 1 month ago

Responding to Tom Fudge's comments, there is nothing worth 'kidding' about with placing a medicating chemical in a water supply to treat everyone. I work in a city recently fluoridated over a year ago. It has been frustrating to see patients now showing the same signs of fluoride toxicity from drinking water that they were previously warned about if exposed to fluoride at work. The Material Safety Data Sheets produced by the companies warned of fluoride caused skin rashes, abdominal pain, blood noses and breathing problems ( i.e. asthma) etc. that may occur at work even with low level exposure to fluoride.

But just as tobacco interests in the 1940s got doctors endorsing the safety of tobacco, health authorities (including similarly badly informed doctors and dentists) now place this chemical fluoride into the water with the same announcement it has no side effects at all.

Even when tests show patients getting skin rashes and asthma after drinking the same industrial chemical in water (just as they also did when at work at the local aluminum smelter), authorities just blankly continue to repeat the hollow assurances about its safety as history shows the cigarette companies did with their cigarettes.

We have to ask why. Could this just be the business side of water fluoridation to produce a ‘safe ‘ deceptive image for the chemical fluoride to keep sales of this waste going for at least as long as profitable sales were cleverly kept going within the tobacco industry?

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totalintake | January 6, 2011 at 9:50 p.m. ― 6 years, 1 month ago

Wow, Mr. Fudge - it's amazing that in this day and age of information you can't even do a simple Medline search and inform on the subject unbiased. Endemic fluorosis is a problem in many countries. Shame on you. And your Dr. Strangelove reference is getting very tired too.

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hboooo | January 7, 2011 at 8:28 a.m. ― 6 years, 1 month ago

Im so friggggin sick of listening to dentists on the nuerological effects of flouride. Thats like taking your car to the bike shop to get it fixed. THIS IS FORCED MEDICATION EVERYWAY YOU LOOK AT. If people want flouride in their smile they can buy the toothpaste with it inside of it THAT EASY... we dont need to play russian roullete with our water supply in order to not get cavaties. This of course is just one part EDWARD BERNAYS plan to keep the people in check and docile much like the NAZIS did PEOPLE WE GOT TO WAKE UP FOR REAL...WHATS NEXT???? this>>>> IS A REAL ISSUE AND PEOPLE IN SAN DIEGO ARE NOT HAPPY...THERE IS A MEETING GOING ON TOMORROW TO DISCUSS THIS WITH OTHER CONCERNED CITIZENS HERE...

As most of you know, the plan to begin injecting hydrofluosilicic acid into the City of San Diego’s drinking water has been delayed until mid-to-late January. And, some of you also know that KUSI TV/51 recently ran a pro-fluoride story. It’s time for us to act with a unified voice.

We’ve been able to confirm a meeting location, date and time:

Date: Saturday, January 8
Time: Noon to 2 p.m.
Location: Joyce Beers Community Center
1230 Cleveland Avenue, San Diego 92103
At the Ralph’s Shopping Center in Hillcrest (off University Avenue)

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allenfromnorthpark | January 7, 2011 at 1:12 p.m. ― 6 years, 1 month ago


I hope you'll read the book "The Case Against Fluoride" by Paul Connett. Also take a look at for more information.

Can you make it to the Joyce Beers Center tomorrow for the meeting at noon? Should be interesting and eduacational

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