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Arizona Lawmakers Consider Funding Armed, Volunteer Militia

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Aired 2/13/12

Arizona lawmakers will consider funding an armed state guard to help with border enforcement. This bill is the latest in a series which asserts the state’s right to deal with illegal immigration and drug trafficking.

Sen. Sylvia Allen, R-Snowflake, is sponsoring the bill which would fund and activate the Arizona State Guard. Photo

Above: Sen. Sylvia Allen, R-Snowflake, is sponsoring the bill which would fund and activate the Arizona State Guard. Photo

— Arizona lawmakers will consider funding an armed state guard to help with border enforcement. This bill is the latest in a series which asserts the state’s right to deal with illegal immigration and drug trafficking.

Legislators say it will cost almost $2 million to activate the guard, which was created last year. They want to pay volunteers a daily stipend while on duty.

Critics wonder how the state will vet these volunteers, and the general of the Arizona National Guard expressed concern about volunteers carrying weapons -- something no other state guard allows.

Clint Bolick, with the Goldwater Institute, said that like most of Arizona’s other bills pushing for state sovereignty, this one could end up in federal court.

"It depends on how these officers are going to be deployed. If they are simply enforcing Arizona laws, I don’t see that there would a problem," Bolick said. "If they are deployed to the border to deal with border issues – probably see another lawsuit."

The bill goes before the Senate Appropriations Committee on Tuesday morning.

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Avatar for user 'Peking_Duck_SD'

Peking_Duck_SD | February 13, 2012 at 10:55 p.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago

Arizona. It's the new Mississippi.

It's interesting how things have snowballed in Arizona since their immigration law that ended up in Federal Court.

It seems at though that was the catalyst for this "rogue" image and now we have the most repressive proposals in recent history emanating from this cesspool. Not to mention an ego-centric Governor who thinks it's OK to angrily wag her finger in the face of the President of the United States as he disembarks from an aircraft to rile up her radical base and sell her books.

Brewer's self-molded image of an anti-fed crusader seems to not be alone in this desert state.

Phoenix Sheriff Joe Arpaio shares the same ego-centric attitude.

This is the first time I have ever heard of Sylvia Allen from "Snowflake", but from the sounds of it snow is not the only thing producing flakes in AZ.

What the people of Arizona don't seem to be comprehending is this officials **do not care** about the wedge issues they are using to prop themselves up.

They also **do not care** about the people of Arizona.

If they did they would not haphazardly propose rubbish that they **KNOW** will go to court, cost their districts millions in legal fees, and then eventually be struck down.

Brewer cares more about selling her books than she does about illegal immigration or the people of Arizona.

Arpaio cares more about his image as some rogue tough-guy cop that people can make bobble-heads out of, the fact that none of his attention-grabbing tactics have data showing they lower crime is an afterthought to his ego and doesn't seem to matter much to his cult-like groupies.

I'm sure many nobodies in Arizona like Rep. Allen see people like Brewer and Arpaio profiting from their craziness, so they want to hop on the bandwagon.

Propose some loon idea that you know will be tied up in court for the rest of your political life, and use it to launch you from being the crazy lady from Snowflake featured on the local Arizona news to the crazy lady from Snowflake featured on CNN.

I guess more attention is always better, Ms. Allen.

Mind not the fact that hired private mercenaries during the Iraq War proved to be a complete disaster.

Does **BLACKWATER** ring any bells to you, Sylvia Snow*flake*, dear?

Of course I'm sure old Sylvs will be the first one to wash her hands of the entire situation when one of her imbalanced hired minutemen now legally entitled by the State of Arizona to wobble around the border armed shoots up a bunch of people in a crazy-rage that any idiot could have seen coming the second her crackpot legislation was written.

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Brittanicus | February 14, 2012 at 1:44 p.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago


There is only one concluding way to rid illegal aliens from the United States, which is throw out those radical Politicians, Governors, mayors, judges police chiefs and every elected official, city manager and councilman who are anti-sovereignty and pamper them with taxpayer dollars. Their oaths of allegiance are meaningless to them as they have shown by their pro-illegal immigration agenda's. Both political parties have been complicit in the flood of illegal migrants and immigrants that is estimated to be well over 20 million, not the numbers calculated by the US census bureau? Our only chance of stopping this scattering pestilence is to support the business mandatory E-Verify program and the Birthright citizenship Act that must be introduced in Congress right now.

Join the TEA PARTY, the People's Party of America and vote a senate and house into office, displacing all those politicians and elected officers who protect illegal migrants and immigrants and betrayed the lawful U.S. Populace. These old party agenda is profit, votes and exploitation, and are in collusion with churches, unions, foreign governments and radical organizations and special interest groups. Illegal immigration has been forced on taxpayers through ‘UNFUNDED MANDATES’. These acts include free health care, free schooling, and has attributed to the loss of safety-net for Americans; coerced on citizens and lawful residents by liberal influenced courts.

Frosty Wooldridge said in his latest article:

Every indicator that our country is failing shows up daily with 15 million unemployed, 7 million underemployed, 46 million Americans subsisting on food stamps, $700 billion annual trade deficit, $15 trillion national debt, endless wars that cost $15 billion monthly and thousands of kids dropping out of high school daily. I have said it before: illiteracy defines a third world country. With 42 million functionally illiterate Americans, we are well on our way. Nonetheless, Congress pumps over 125,000 immigrants into this country every 30 days. I am beyond exasperated as to why and how we can do this to our country.

Learn more at NumbersUSA, how the government is defying the U. S. Constitution and the laws that govern us. Investigate even more the terrible penalty our nation pays, for unending spending on foreign nationals at American Patrol. Seek out your politician either by phone at 202-224-3121, or go their office in person. Proclaim to them they are–OUT–if they vote for any kind of AMNESTY, disguised as Comprehensive Immigration Reform.

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4Americanow | February 15, 2012 at 1:40 p.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago

You are all missing the point here. As soon as a girl can have a baby, she runs across the border and pops one out. She then has her anchor baby that is an "American citizen".The mother is uneducated and doesn't speak English. She will see these babies as a commodity. She now get welfare, food stamps, medical, housing, WIC, etc. etc. She continues to pop one of these "citizens" out every year for more benefits. This is the basis for the family so the parents can work under the table and live better than most Americans. They don't have to bother with paying for food, medical, can buy a car without bothering to register it in their name, and therefore don't need insusrance, their housing is paid for etc., etc. The misuse of the 14th amendment is how this is justified.
When the arguement is used that prices would go up if illegals didn't provide cheap labor, figure out how much of your tax dollars go to these illegals. Add to this the violence that is acceptable in their society, and the cost suddenly is not so cheap. The 14th amendment never was meant to be used like this. It needs to be ameded or reinterpreted to mean that only people showing allegiance to the United States are citizens. Any baby born here to an illegal alien should be immediately deported to its mothers country along with the illegal mother, and barred from returning.
This would stop the incentive to run across the border. If they can't self support, they will self deport, and Americans will have their country back.

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Jose0311usmc | February 19, 2012 at 10:21 a.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago

WHERE DO I SIGN UP AT ?? FORMER MARINE, RETIRED..I'M READY TO VOLUNTEER, JUST GET ME 3 FREE MEALS ---WATER AND TENT TO SLEEP IN....IS A GREAT IDEA BECAUSE POLITICIANS ARE AFRAID TO ENFORCE THE IMMIGRATION LAWS AFRAID OF LOSING THE HISPANIC VOTES.....
IT UP TO CITIZENS TO SECURE OUR VOTERS....I'M SURE THAT PRO MEXICAN GROUPS WILL COME UP WITH EXCUSES TO STOP IT..THEY DO NOT WANT TO BE DEPORTED PERIOD....I'M A HISPANIC GUY---A FORMER MARINE...I'M WELL TRAINED IN THE USE PROPER USE OF WEAPONS...I DO NOT NEED TRAINING , I'M READY TO GO.

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Jose0311usmc | February 19, 2012 at 10:33 a.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago

THE CONSTITUTION ANCHOR BABY LAW SHOULD BE ENDED....ILLEGALS ARE USING IT TO GET BENEFITS PLUS TO GET CITIZENSHIP....OBAMA ORDER HOMELAND SECURITY NOT TO DEPORT NONE VIOLENT ILLEGALS, WHY ? THEY ARE HIS FUTURE VOTERS WHEN HE GIVE THEM AMNESTY.....ARIZONA--TEXAS SHOULD ALLOW ARM CITIZENS TO GUARD THEIR BORDER AND MAKE ARRESTS ...NO REASON WHY BORDER AGENTS ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT CAN MAKE ARRESTS...YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A ROCKET SCIENTIST TO ARREST AN ILLEGAL ....BORDER AGENTS AND THE GOVERNMENT DO NOT WANT ANYONE GUARDING THE BORDER......WELL THEY ARE NOT DOING THE JOB.

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DeLaRick | February 19, 2012 at 7:35 p.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago

It's hard to get past the irony of someone who goes by "Brittanicus" writing about sovereignty and singing the praises of the Tea Party. (Hey bloke, let's celebrate the 4th of July in London this year!) Or, someone named "Jose" just chomping at the bit to wage war against Mexicans armed with backpacks. (Can't believe you weren't retained by the Corps in a leadership capacity when you retired.) How about a constitutional law expert, 4Americanow, spelling "argument" incorrectly or not capitalizing "[A]mendment"?

You're mean to someone else. I'm mean to you. What makes it right?

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Peking_Duck_SD | February 19, 2012 at 11:47 p.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago

Jose0311usmc, your posts that are brimming with eagerness to arm up and head to the border with a license to kill are exactly the reason this is a terrible idea.

I appreciate your service, but many combat veterans come back needing psychological help and re-training to help integrate back into civilian society. Giving you guns and the ability to conduct lae enforcement activities is a recipe for disaster.

Just reding your posts makes me uncomfortable with the thought of you armed and on our streets.

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tkterry | February 20, 2012 at 11:39 a.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago

It seems to me that armed volunteers are vigilante and will suffer defeat under federal scrutiny. With unemployment still sweeping across American, why doesn’t Arizona hire more National Guard and deploy them to the border to protect and serve under current statute. It is noble to protect your boarders. It is not noble to release a platoon of bounty hunters.

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Missionaccomplished | February 21, 2012 at 11:40 a.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago

@Britanicasss, who would people with common sense want to join the Teebirchers? And as they say themselves, they are a coalition; not a formal group like th eDemocratic or Republican parties. There is no head.

And speaking of the partiers, Mr. Britanicasss, some libertarians have joined them. Any true libertarian would be against draconian measures on the border and more inclined to an "open border" policy. (Wrong Paul not withstanding.)

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Missionaccomplished | February 21, 2012 at 11:41 a.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago

4AMERIKANOW, your comment is not only ignorant, it defies logic.

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Missionaccomplished | February 21, 2012 at 11:43 a.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago

JOE0311JARHEAD, stop screaming. CAPS off. You're full of self-hate and aggression toward others. I guess you can take the man out of Parris but you can't take Parris out of the man.

PS: How about some proof for your lame claims?

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benz72 | February 21, 2012 at 11:54 a.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago

I'm a Libertarian and I do not advocate an open border. The foundations of my belief are strong property rights and economic freedom. These are endangered by uncontrolled access to the benefits of the state.

By the way, insults do not make one's arguments any stronger but they do make the surrounding commentary easier to dismiss.

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CaliforniaDefender | February 24, 2012 at 2:10 p.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago

Excellent!

SB 1083, the "Arizona State Guard" bill, PASSED the Senate Appropriations Committee which has agreed to fund the unit!

SB 1083 is on to a vote of the full Arizona Senate!

Vote will take place soon with the latest action on Tuesday:

SB 1083 - Feb 21, 2012
Senate - minority caucus recommends to concur: yes
Senate - majority caucus recommends to concur: yes

This is GREAT news! Finally the states are standing up and saying "enough is enough" and taking border security into their own hands! I sure hope California decides to go the same route as I would gladly volunteer to serve in the California State Guard!

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CaliforniaDefender | February 24, 2012 at 2:26 p.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago

By the way, I would like to encourage all Californians to fly the Arizonan flag together with the Californian flag as a sign of solidarity.

Both of our states are strong economic partners, struggle with the same issues like water, power, infrastructure, and public safety. But most of all our collective fate is intertwined in how we both deal with border security.

Californians should proudly stand shoulder to shoulder with Arizonans!

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Peking_Duck_SD | February 24, 2012 at 6:15 p.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago

CaliforniaDefender: *Californians should proudly stand shoulder to shoulder with Arizonans!*

California's don't want to stand shoulder to shoulder with Arizona.

California's are disgusted with Arizona, and think it's a withering cesspool of ignorance.

Even San Diego, more conservative than California as a whole, rejected the direction Arizona is going.

Case in point, Jay LaSuer who ran for San Diego County Sheriff on the crazy Arizona platform.

Endorsed by Sheriff Arpaio (Arpaio even came to San Diego campaigning for him), endorsed by Tea Partiers, and endorsed by Minutemen, La Suer was not even able to muster 20% of the vote here.

His promises of old-west style no mercy border control, desert prison camps à la Joe Arpaio, and a conservative platform of Tea Party and Minutemen-infused conservatism was resoundingly rejected right here in San Diego County.

So, CaliforniaDefender, I'm afraid the only way you will get your draconian Arizona-style cesspool is if you move to Arizona - it 'aint happening here.

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Missionaccomplished | February 24, 2012 at 7:14 p.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago

CA Offender, didn't see a negative post on the recently concluded Jewish Film Fest. What gives--other than your trademark inconsistentcy?

I suppose though, you will be making more negative--nay--downright hostile comments about the upcoming San Diego Latino Film Fest. What's more, Ethan even has it further compartmentalized into its Jewish and Gay section.

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no_soup_for_you | February 26, 2012 at 11:10 p.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago

Do these people go through background checks? What is in place to prevent racists from enrolling and then being allowed to carry guns to the border? Crazy people? It just seems like a recipe for disaster. I looked at the posting history of the posters above who said they would volunteer, and they are people with comments that border on racism/have a clear disdain for Latinos. This is just an excuse to give angry racists a weapon and let them attack and shoot immigrants.

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benz72 | February 28, 2012 at 12:24 p.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago

nsfy, perhaps they have a clear disdain for all people who attempt to illegally cross the border, not just the Latino ones. I'm not reading the same thing from their posts. It is possible that I missed where they were focused only on Latinos. Please cite.

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johnnym | February 28, 2012 at 8:49 p.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago

AZ wants a militia . . . I seem to remember something about a well-regulated militia in the constitution, so . . . what's the problem?

I don't think AZ is a cesspool. Maybe this is what Arizona citizens think is best for their state. A nice thing about having 50 states is, if you don't like it, you can live someplace else. So relax and live someplace else.

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Missionaccomplished | February 29, 2012 at 9:13 a.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago

benz727, you're kidding right? Back in the 80s our twisted Cold War and racist policy gave a free pass to Cuban refugees but not to Haitians.

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Missionaccomplished | February 29, 2012 at 9:15 a.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago

BENZ 727, Code for racists: "all" when they only mean Latino--or more specifically, Mexican.

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Peking_Duck_SD | February 29, 2012 at 10:07 a.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago

Benz, the law is specifically targeted for the Mexican border.

I realize there may be some people who are not Mexican and use Mexico as a transition point to enter the U.S., but even those people are predominately Central r South Americans.

I just don't see how anyone can argue this bill isn't specifically targeting LATINOs.

But my bigger problem with this is that governments can be held accountable when they commit human rights violations.

It's harder to hold "citizen volunteers" accountable, and that's why this sounds fishy.

It seems like the government of Arizona is trying to manipulate ways in which to *indirectly* engage in human rights abuses by creating these more ambiguous "citizen militias."

I mean look at this closely, this is a tactic many 3rd world countries with corrupt governments use to commit atrocities against humanity and try and get around central blame through quasi-private allies. The only reason to propose this is because the Arizona government wants to do something it knows is illegal and therefore couldn't get away with having actual government paid law enforcement carry it out.

I don't think many people realize just how disturbing this is. If Arizona were a country itself, it would be well on the way to becoming one similar to a sub-Saharan African country engulfed in government corruption and disregard for international law.

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Peking_Duck_SD | February 29, 2012 at 10:13 a.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago

Johnnym, agreed, the only problem is some are proposing similar things here in CA.

If Arizona wants to continue down this path so be it, but the second these militias commit human rights atrocities it becomes a problem for HUMANITY, a problem for ALL of us.

Who is going o be monitoring these groups for such violations?

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astrofan | February 29, 2012 at 10:47 a.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago

Are some of you aware that the President has decided to simply secede some of US land to illegal aliens and drug runners? There are parts of Pipe Organ National Park that are off limits to American Citizens. Signs are posted warning us to stay out. While we're helping people reclaim their countries in foreign lands we have decided to give up American land to Mexican citizens. How can this possibly be right? Isn't the main function of our government to defend our land from foreign invaders?

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Len | February 29, 2012 at 11:37 a.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago

@astrofan. What utter nonsense. I don't know if there are signs in parts of the Pipe Park making it off limits to EVERYONE, American citizen or Polish tourist, but if there are, it would be for reasons of safety, the National Parks lacking adequate Rangers and maintenance workers because of budget cuts. That the President has "decided to simply" turn the land over to illegal use indicates the tinfoil in your hat needs to be replaced.

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Peking_Duck_SD | February 29, 2012 at 1:10 p.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago

Many excellent comments here, even those I don't agree with make a great argument, but astrofan, I am not understanding your comment.

We are all aware that there are some areas of our nation that are either off limits to the public (national park areas, places considered dangerous due to chemical spills, etc.).

Just because an illegal drug runner or immigrant has violated and exploited these restrictions does not men the land has been "seceded by the Preident".

I'm afraid you heard an outrageous conspiracy theory somewhere.

The facts are that President Obama has deported more illegal immigrants than past presidents.

Suggesting our President has seceded this land to someone is as absurd as the charge by nit-wits that our President was not born on U.S. soil.

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Peking_Duck_SD | February 29, 2012 at 1:52 p.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago

I just did a quick Internet search on this Sylvia Allen person, and wow, she is quite out there.

She is a hard-core anti- environment activits and a creationist zealot.

She thinks our Planet Earth is only 6000 years old, this is a must watch:

She has been fined for ethics and campaign finance violations and she has a long history of making inflammatory and divisive comments about immigrants.

She is on record making a serious charge that Arizona is in danger of "merging with Mexico" and that Democrats all want this "merging" so Mexicans can vote Democrat in elections.

My word, Sylvia, dear, you ARE a piece of work, aren't you.

When I alluded above to the appropriateness of your being from Snow*flake* I had no idea just how on the button I was.

It's hard to believe this woman is for real, she's like an SNL character of a radical tea parties.

Arizona should be thoroughly ashamed.

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benz72 | February 29, 2012 at 2:42 p.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago

I'm not kidding. The law presumably targets the Mexican border because that is the only one Arizona shares with a foreign nation. Is it your expectation that if the militia found a Latvian, Libyan, or Laotian person sneaking across the border they would let them go through because they are not Latino? That would certainly be racist (or at least nationalist). Do you expect that the militia would seek to expel or deny entry to Latinos living in Arizona legally? That would again be behavior that I would identify as unacceptable.
I just don't see those sorts of activities being within the charter or duties of this proposed body of volunteers. If it becomes racist it should certainly be stopped, but one doesn't have to be racist to keep thieves of all colors from breaking into ones house, even if one lives in an area where the vast majority of thieves come from the same ethnic background.

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Peking_Duck_SD | February 29, 2012 at 5:01 p.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago

Benz, I understand what you are saying, but my main concern is about abuse in general, regardless of who it's directed at.

Volunteer militia?

Sure, you will get some respectable people who will volunteer, but you will also likely get some crazies who do have a racist chip on their shoulder and there is no telling what kind of travesty they will cause if a gun is strapped to them and they are allowed to patrol the border.

I also think the credibility of the lawmaker proposing this should be taken into account. Her past reveals some pretty poor decisions and pretty ignorant statements, I'm not sure I would trust something written by an extremist that involves weapons, militias, and our border security.

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benz72 | March 1, 2012 at 7:47 a.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago

Those same concerns exist with every institution that grants enforcement power to individuals. Police, the FBI and the armed forces all address these issues with a great deal of success.
As to the credibility of the initiator of the bill, our mutual perception that she is a deluded whackjob doesn't mean everything she says is wrong. That sort of argument heads us straight into Godwin's law.

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Peking_Duck_SD | March 1, 2012 at 10:30 a.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago

Benz, I'm glad that ou agree she is a deluded whackjob, and yes many of our politicians are whackjobs.

Where I disagree is that a volunteer militia can be regulated the same way as a direct government entity such as the police of FBI.

When a government entity commits a crime, the entire organization takes the hit, and it reflects on everyone. With a citizens militia, I'm not so sure.

Let's say, for example, one of these "volunteers" snaps and harms many people.

The gov. Of Arizona can say, not one of us, just a volunteer, we will prosecute them but the government is not responsible.

Volunteers work doing some things in society, but giving volunteers the power o police and kill just opens up a nasty can of worms.

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benz72 | March 1, 2012 at 12:40 p.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago

Are you positive that this proposal seeks to grant those powers to an unregulated body of volunteers? That sounds very suspicious to me. I'm also not sure why you believe that said individual would not be charged like any other murderer if they behave in the ways you describe.

Fundamentally, there needs to be an increase in border enforcement (IMO) and the use of a militia merits consideration (again IMO). Would it be better if we had trained ICE border agents instead? Sure, but Arizona can't create ICE agents and even if they could, they may not be able to afford to do so.
There may be very good reason why this proposal should fail, but claims of concealed racism and worries about ‘snapping volunteers harming many people’ don't reach that threshold. National Guards are, effectively, volunteer militias and nobody thinks that when they are deployed to the border we are in particular danger of having them transform into mass murderers or of the state institutionalizing racist policy.

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DeLaRick | March 1, 2012 at 1:17 p.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago

Racism, bigotry and jingoism are by-products of militarization. This is a law enforcement issue, not a military one. The rhetoric and current national distaste for rational discourse have created an adversarial climate with an ally and 2nd largest trading partner. The American and Mexican labor markets are interconnected at the lowest levels. What most people call an "invasion" is really just a fact of life.

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