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Filner, DeMaio Debate Border Issues, Immigration

— San Diego’s two mayoral candidates faced off in a debate Thursday evening at The Institute of the Americas at UC San Diego.

Aired 8/9/12 on KPBS News.

San Diego’s two mayoral candidates will face off in a debate this evening at The Institute of the Americas at UC San Diego.

This is the second time Republican Carl DeMaio and Democrat Bob Filner have debated since both made it past the primary last June.

The candidates are seen as being on the more extreme ends of their parties. But as the general election draws closer, they’re each expected to make a pitch to more moderate voters. On Thursday, the candidates focused on border issues, from how long border crossing times impact businesses to whether they would support a bi-national summer Olympics held in San Diego and Tijuana.

Filner tried to emphasize what he’s done to improve the border region while he’s been in Congress. He pointed out the he is co-chair of the Border Caucus in Congress and has secured money for state Route 905, which connects Otay Mesa and San Yisdro. He also spoke of the need to shorten wait times at the border.

But DeMaio was unimpressed with Filner's resume. He said Filner had plenty of time to fix the problem of long border crossing times while he was in Congress and questioned whether he’d be able to resolve the problem as mayor.

"The reality is clear, the wait times are absolutely unacceptable for a regional economy. Two hours is unacceptable," DeMaio said. "And you have failed in Washington to lead a coalition to get the investments and results that taxpayers deserve."

DeMaio hammered away at that point, while Filner maintained no one in Congress has made more progress in improving relations between Mexico and the U.S. than he has. He also criticized DeMaio for acting interested in Mexico now that he's running for mayor, but said DeMaio hasn't shown any interest during his four years on the City Council. He joked DeMaio had "just discovered the word Mexico."

When an audience member asked how many times each visited Mexico this year, DeMaio admitted he hadn't crossed the border in 2012, though he's planning a diplomatic trip later this month. Filner said he's been several times this year.

Filner also repeatedly tried to link DeMaio to the radical wing of the Republican Party.

"Carl, you can not disown your party. They have enveloped you, they have taken you over, you have worked them over every inch," he said. "They are a party that does not believe that the people of color in this nation deserve an equal chance, they do not believe that Mexico is worthy of respect as a nation."

DeMaio dismissed Filner's criticisms, saying he has supported successful ballot initiatives that drew a wide range of support from voters across the political spectrum, including Hispanic voters.

Both tried to paint the other as the more divisive candidate. At one point they got into an exchange about how many Hispanic employees each had on their staffs.

One point they did agree on was that both would love to see a bi-national summer Olympics held in Tijuana and San Diego.

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Brittanicus | August 10, 2012 at 1:29 p.m. ― 4 years, 6 months ago


Both political parties are strictly Quid Pro Quo (something for something), with the Democrats seeking votes—legal citizens or non citizens, with a similar plan from the right to bring into the country legal immigrants, but not the professionals and highly skilled people you would expect. America is in such a predicament with poorly skilled workers and illegal aliens, the TEA PARTY are the only easement from the GOP who will enforce immigration laws. As we approach the general election we must look hard at the voting laws, which are in a state of flux, as we have seen more and more major irregularities. Unknown numbers of individuals who are non-citizens are voting, whether illegal aliens, felons and even dead people. WHAT IS INEXCUSABLE BY THIS ADMINISTRATION IS TRYING TO DERAIL OUR MILITARY FROM CASTING A VOTE, BUT THEY ARE NOT ADDING ANY RESTRICTIONS IN STOPPING NON-CITIZENS FROM VOTING?

One by one THE TEA PARTY will replace the political hacks—the liars, cheats and frauds in Washington that have been destroying America—and we will continue to do so with your help of the voters in this Republic.

If immigration policies had been carried out to the letter, after the blanket amnesty of 1986, then the current horrendous chaos would be insignificant. Communities as Farmers Branch would not be in pitch battles with the court, over ordinances to stop the proliferation of illegal aliens procuring taxpayers money or being able to settle there. The threat of intimidation in Arizona, Texas or other states by the Socialists and Marxists in the Obama administration, has been a financial cross to bear, but has shown the length that these instigators will go to—to get there way. Instead now have 20 million plus illegal aliens scattered across America, either working under the table for dishonest employers or using stolen ID to gain employment. Since the Simpson/Mazzoli bill immigration has got completely uncontrollable with Sanctuary Cities springing up, huge importations of people under Chain Migration adding to ultimately to extra uncompensated programs for the ethnic poor from South of our border, from those who overstayed visas from around the globe. In a second term Obama will press for another mass amnesty, so he can eliminate any chance of the other side from overriding his executive orders.

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Brittanicus | August 10, 2012 at 1:29 p.m. ― 4 years, 6 months ago

If you don’t want to be paying out the money you have earned, for both the illegal aliens who have never paid a cent into anything and the parasites (freeloaders) that were born here, the best hope we have is voting more TEA PARTY members. Whatever happened to President Obama, who was going to be a world changer? All he has done is divided the country, which he not only has his people churned the U.S. Constitution into the dirt, but intimidated numerous states over their stand on illegal immigration. This issue carries enormous costs, which will be even add more vulnerability as more people escaping poverty, will abscond to America that is already under financial peril.

Obama’s agenda is almost limitless; to kill any permits for drilling any of our massive deposits of oil, gas that makes us ever dependent on foreign nations. Even now we have spiraling gas prices that will never end, until we open up more wells, and dig for more coal for energy to run our homes and industry. Hundreds of billions of dollars have been wasted on alternative methods, but the Socialists in Washington are adamant that they will undermine fossil fuels in this time of urgent need. The Rules and Regulations have become so predominant, that businesses large and small cannot function properly; Obama’s czars are standing in the way of progressing out of this sterile environment and dragging America down.

The TEA PARTY leadership will vote for to strict immigration policies though the Senate and House of Representatives. But more TEA PARTY politicians must achieve more seats in Congress, which seems to be actually happening? Plenty of these moderate conservatives and true advocate of our U.S. Constitution are ready to influence the other lawmaker’s to enact policies that assist out of work Americans. It will open up jobs for millions of low income Blacks, Hispanics, and Latino’s, Whites, Asians and all other ethnic groups lawfully here. It is passed time we enacted the ‘Legal Workforce Act (H.R. 2885) and the Birthright citizenship Act (H.R.140)? It is time that the state of Arizona, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, Utah and other 50 states should be able to protect their state borders? Each law is essential in structuring our policies, then once again projecting a zero forbearance on our immigration policies. The Birthright Citizenship law has been manipulated, as it didn’t extend that just anybody who reached into America could be credited with citizenship, as it was only an opportunity for the emancipation of slaves. THESE LAWS MUST BE PASSED SO THE AMERICAN WORKER CAN GAIN A FOOTHOLD AGAIN, ESPECIALLY WHEN 8 PERCENT OF OUR POPULATION IS JOBLESS, OR JUST GIVEN UP BEING HIRED?

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Brittanicus | August 10, 2012 at 1:30 p.m. ― 4 years, 6 months ago

Interesting enough President Obama’s socialized health care is the ‘Catch 22’ situation which will surface when the ‘Obamacare’ plan is fully operational. Illegal aliens will be very vulnerable to detection, as these people will not be able to join the health care program, but the children of illegal aliens will. The children of 11 million illegal aliens (if you believe the government estimates), whereas more thoroughly research surveys estimate the real number in our populace is over 20 million plus or in fact even higher?; children recognized as citizens through a carefully engineered law, with the aim of stating the offspring are citizens, once the Mother has smuggled the unborn baby through the arrival gate at an airport or through the hundreds of open miles along our border. Once here the pregnant mothers are on welfare and are then guaranteed all sorts of care, that the majority of American expectant mother cannot collect. Citizens and legal residents are tracked by their Social Security number for hospital fees, while the illegal alien female pays zero. The American people are on the hook and expected to pay not only for the ‘freeloaders’ but the new baby citizen. An amendment to Rep. Steve Kings (R-IA) ‘BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP ACT will end this taxpayer rip-off, by insuring that one parent must be a U.S. citizen, a legal permanent resident, or an undocumented immigrant serving in the military would be considered citizens—saving hundreds of billions of dollars a year in schooling, health care and many public assistance programs.

THE DREAM ACT like any other assessment waiver will just attract more pregnant females to the U.S., so they can plant their unborn baby here as public charges? Customs and Immigration Inspectors at any entry port cannot detect a fetus in the womb of any female visitor, so they only deterrent we have are altering the requirements for instant citizenship for babies? The Dream Act will inevitably discover hundreds of thousand, even millions of the physical residences of ‘Dream Act’ kids, which could open a new Pandora’s box’ and reveal the presence parents by ICE for deportation punishment? In furtherance American taxpayers are fully aware now of the scam not addressed by the IRS. While Americans are have a hard time feeding their families, illegal aliens are accessing the child tax credit on a huge scale, ripping of the taxpayer for $4.6 billion dollars with Senator Harry Reid, a diehard Liberal stopping the Senate from passing a law to stop this conspiracy. The records show illegal aliens have been defrauding the public for decades; paying nothing in the way of taxes, yet collecting money through IRS stupidity, even to sending treasury checks to children not present in the good old U.S.A.

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Brittanicus | August 10, 2012 at 1:31 p.m. ― 4 years, 6 months ago

The oddest part of our immigration laws, is that ICE (as Yet) cannot track visa over stays like many other nations? My thinking is that this is intentional, which we should include any entry—which as a serious deterrent should be a Felony—not a civil infraction? California, the well known sanctuary state for millions of illegal aliens and a heavy duty liberal Governor and his progressives is out to push drivers licenses for these people. Only the true voters can halt this and be aware, that illegal alien will be voting in the upcoming elections and the TEA PARTY people will be watching for criminal acts, especially with absentee ballots and with no boundaries on voting the outcome could be well directed fraud by the liberals and the Democrat underlings.

IF YOU ARE A TAXPAYER AND AN ELIGIBLE VOTER YOU CAN ADD YOUR ANGRY VOICE TO THE CHORUS OF MILLIONS OF OTHER PEOPLE AND THE TEA PARTY WHO ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS TRAVESTY OF OUR LAWS ANYMORE? CALL YOUR REPRESENTATIVE AND DEMAND THE VOTE FOR A SIMPLE AMENDMENT TO THE ‘Birthright Citizenship Act’. If we can pass this law as many other countries have done, we can discourage the daily onslaught of thousands illegal aliens trying to reach the United States.

Both political sides in other major problems are responsible for this financial wreck, from the banks not making loans and instead depositing the money in other investments. Hundreds of billions of dollars have been approved by Obama’s people in questionable loans in the solar ‘Sylindra’s and other combinations of ‘Green ventures” that have otherwise faded away from the public eye. Hundreds of thousands of homes lay empty because of incompetence of banking regulators, allowing politicians and high pressure ethnic organization to approve loans for people who could were low income and had no way to pay the loans back. If you look at the statistics this was very visible in states as Arizona, California and Nevada with high concentrations of illegal residents.

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Brittanicus | August 10, 2012 at 1:32 p.m. ― 4 years, 6 months ago

Go to the website of TEA PARTY DOT ORG and read about the new revelation on Obama’s past history? Numerous facts are appearing regarding his right to U.S Citizenship. From the evidence of his academic background, to the fact as a being a citizen of another country, you would be denied an education in Indonesia. Yet Obama was able to gain admittance to a schooling there, which is significant amongst the many other irregularities? This is a time for the American population to judge for themselves, the evidentiary records that are available. I can only speak for myself, but to be honest I just don’t know what to think about it anymore? Questions to ask-- was birth certificate produced by the White House proven a computer-generated forgery? Is it true that all of his records were sealed—birth records, college records, passport records? Was the Selective service records altered? A reason why he surrendered his license to practice law—but why? Did he ever really have one? They say that he hide his true birth place? Why was he listed as a “foreign student” in a Harvard Law School Review pamphlet? Is it true he Held MULTIPLE social security numbers. Is he associating with KNOWN communists and subversives, with many allowed into the White House? There is much more detailed information about this crisis, asking does this man really have American citizenship?


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Peking_Duck_SD | August 10, 2012 at 4:36 p.m. ― 4 years, 6 months ago

Brittanicus, I admittedly scanned over your posts briefly, but your opinion that the Tea Party is the answer to our defunct government is preposterous.

Case in point: Michele Bachmann, head of the Congressional Tea Party Caucus.

Very few Americans support her radical, over-the-top agenda. An anti-science fanatic who wants to waste tax payer money on made-up Muslim Brotherhood Infiltrations and once suggested a McCarthy-style investigation into elected officials to determine the subjective question of who is "anti-American" and "pro-American."

The Tea Party is responsible for much of the gridlock we have today in Washington, and encouraging more of this nonsense is certainly *NOT* what we need.

While tea party types are fixated on illegal immigrants and our President's birth certificate, important issues like innovation, technology, research and education are being shoved to the back-burner as we watch more and more of the world's new innovation being created on foreign soil while education in America continues to become less affordable and insufficient in mathematics and science.

What we need is cooperation and a reality that the world is progressing.

The tea party, as far as I have seen, is not a forward-looking group. They are backwards looking and fixated on things that shouldn't be the priority right now. In addition, I have noticed the tea party tends to over-simplify important concepts regarding taxation, immigration and others, bullying congress into taking very complex issues and looking at them as yes/no or black and white.

We can agree that things are messed up right now, but I have to vehemently disagree that the TP is what will fix it.

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Peking_Duck_SD | August 10, 2012 at 4:40 p.m. ― 4 years, 6 months ago

*"Carl, you can not disown your party. They have enveloped you, they have taken you over, you have worked them over every inch," he said. "They are a party that does not believe that the people of color in this nation deserve an equal chance, they do not believe that Mexico is worthy of respect as a nation."*


This quote is **SPOT-ON**!!

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Outside2view | August 10, 2012 at 4:42 p.m. ― 4 years, 6 months ago

WOW Brittanicus TURN OFF the spigot. Given a small platform like this is it really worth your time and effort to bury us in your propaganda?

Your comments bear little relevance to the topic at hand which is the choice we in San Diego have in our mayorial candidates and their views on the border issues. If you have an oppinion on this, I could not find it in your 6 submissions.

San Diego and Tijuana are a single metropolis with an international border running between the two, There are Americans who do business and make money in Mexico, and vice versa. As such it is very important that we understand the differences in the attitudes of the propective city leaders, I am of the believe that co-operation rather than conflict, is good for business and our mutual economic growth.

The idea of a cross border Olympics is a nice fantasy that could never happen. How would you be able to make it safe enough for Americans?

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laplayaheritage | August 10, 2012 at 5:05 p.m. ― 4 years, 6 months ago

Bob Filner on UT-TV 08/09/2012 discussing Chargers Stadium, Nathan Fletcher, and Mayoral Debate at UCSD.

Great new Vimeo video with Bob Filner as “The Fighter “ by Gym Class Heroes.

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Willard | August 10, 2012 at 5:17 p.m. ― 4 years, 6 months ago

What has Obama accomplished thus far?(shortlist)
• Obama has overhauled the food safety system
• Advanced women's rights in the work place
• Ended Don't Ask, Don't Tell (DADT) in our military
• Stopped defending DOMA in court.
• Passed the Hate Crimes bill.
• Appointed two pro-choice women to the Supreme Court.
• Expanded access to medical care and provided subsidies for people who can't afford it.
• Expanded the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP)
• Fixed the preexisting conditions travesty [and rescissions] in health insurance.
• Invested in clean energy.
• Overhauled the credit card industry, making it much more consumer-friendly.
• While Dodd-Frank bill was weak in many respects, it was still an extremely worthwhile start at re-regulating the financial sector.
• He created a Elizabeth Warren's dream agency: The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.
• He's done a lot for veterans
• He got help for people whose health was injured during the clean-up after the 9/11 attacks.
None of these things were priorities for Republicans. They actively opposed, directly or indirectly through obstruction, every
single item on this list. In fact, they succeeded in killing a Cap & Trade bill in the Senate after it had passed through the House.
All of these things are improvements that would not have occurred under a McCain-Palin administration. Moreover, a McCain-Palin
administration would have moved in the other direction on most of these issues, or come up with even worse compromises. a much larger list

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Willard | August 10, 2012 at 5:18 p.m. ― 4 years, 6 months ago

Why is the Tea Party so misguided,and If they care about taxes why don't they demand Mitt release his?

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Willard | August 10, 2012 at 5:31 p.m. ― 4 years, 6 months ago

Almost have to feel sorry for the Tea Party!
Tracking public opinion on politics, issues and trends
Poll: Tea Party Movement Loses Popularity as It Gets Better Known Wall Street movement is twice as popular as the Tea Party: Time poll
Tea Party’s heyday could be nearing end, say political experts

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Syntropic | August 11, 2012 at 6:16 a.m. ― 4 years, 6 months ago

Cross-border Olympics? The Olympic brand owners won't ever let that happen. The Retun on Investment, as evidenced by 2008 facilities in China and 2012 in Great Britain, would not fit the finances of the Region.
Perhaps the next Mayor of San Diego will consider becoming a Champion for an alternative idea that leverages the existing strengths of the Region.
The Syntropic(r) Games(TM), run as a non-profit, would invite the "Best of the Best" innovators from around the world to demonstrate their innovations on a phased, competitive basis throughout the region during the course of a year (2015?). Initial competitors would be drawn from worldwide competitions already in place, with a wild card round. Schedule educational, scientific, entertainment, cultural, and political events (including trade shows) around the Games using existing and new venues that showcase the Region and create interest and opportunities for new ventures.
Far fetched idea? Not really. If you look at the 1915 Panama-California Exposition as the model and update it 100 years for the changes in the Region's social, environmental, economic, and technological changes it makes sense.
More sense than building a bridge, road, and parking garage in Balboa Park while closing off three parking lots without having a transportation plan in place that accomodates increasing Balboa Park visitor level increase from 10 million to 20 million.
More information can be found at SanDiego2015 dot com

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stoplegalmurder | August 11, 2012 at 9:34 a.m. ― 4 years, 6 months ago

Duckie, I've missed you

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Missionaccomplished | August 12, 2012 at 2:04 p.m. ― 4 years, 6 months ago

From an Amazon poster for the spamming, trite Brittanicass:

I put "conservative" in quotes because post-World War II nationalist conservatives such as Dwight Eisenhower and Richard Nixon in the U.S., Churchill and R.A. ('Rab') Butler in Britain, De Gaulle and Jean Monnet in France, and Konrad Adenauer and Ludwig Erhard in West Germany; knew that prudent regulation of industry and finance, and providing some level of basic security to the public (including health care) strengthened society and diminished the appeal of radicalisms of both the Left AND the Right alike. (They had all come through the most destructive war in history--fought against a right wing radical.)

The Obama health care plan does not even go as far as the one proposed by that notorious communist, Richard Nixon, in the 1970's! (The insurance companies will still make plenty of money; just not quite as much as they would otherwise.) But that was a different Republican party then.

The parallels with the 1930's are truly eerie. Democracies as different as the United States, Israel, and India; are all menaced by far-Right ethno-nationalist movements and parties, whose coming to power would probably touch off murderous strife--if not within these countries, than between them and other nations as well. As noted before, tolerable authoritarian governments might well be toppled by ultra-nationalist fanatics. Our own fanatics might prove all too willing to accommodate them with a fight.

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DeLaRick | August 13, 2012 at 11:28 a.m. ― 4 years, 6 months ago

Once again, let's get a good laugh from someone who goes by "Brittanicus" singing the praises of the American Tea Party. Sorry chap! That's where you lose me.

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