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Third Woman Comes Forward In Filner Harassment Scandal

Evening Edition

Aired 7/24/13 on KPBS Midday Edition.

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Amita Sharma, KPBS Investigative Reporter

Sandhya Dirks, KPBS Metro Reporter

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Aired 7/24/13 on KPBS News.

A third woman goes public with allegations of sexual harassment against San Diego Mayor Bob Filner in an exclusive interview with KPBS.

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All of the accusations, statements and apologies from the key players in the developing story about allegations of sexual harassment in Mayor Bob Filner's office and calls from former mayoral supporters for his resignation.

A third woman has come forward on Wednesday with allegations of sexual harassment against San Diego Mayor Bob Filner. In an exclusive KPBS interview, Morgan Rose details an encounter where she alleges the former congressman repeatedly tried to kiss her in a public restaurant.

Morgan Rose, a psychologist in the San Diego Unified School District, founded America’s Angel Campaign, a national initiative dedicated to making the well-being of children America’s “highest priority.”

In January 2009, Rose and her team met with then Congressmen Filner in an effort to bring their initiative to a national stage. After their initial meeting, Filner called her home phone to request an additional, private meeting.

Rose states, “He asked for this meeting because he wanted to know, in his vernacular, ‘who in the hell you are.’”

They scheduled to meet at Marie Callender’s across from his congressional office in San Diego County.

When Rose arrived, she remembers being greeted by his assistant, community representative, Willie Blair, who suggested a booth facing the door. Blair then left, and she says the restaurant was empty.

When Congressman Filner arrived he informed Rose that he had brought the mission of America's Angel Campaign to Michelle Obama. Filner stated Mrs. Obama requested a follow up memo concerning how the campaign would discuss the escalating violence in America’s military families.

Rose’s initial excitement turned to confusion when she says Congressman Filner started staring at her. He then allegedly said, “your eyes have bewitched me.”

Rose states that Congressman Filner stood up, walked over to her side and sat down next to her and wanted to kiss her.

“He tried to move my face towards his to kiss me on the mouth,” Rose said. She turned away from him and remembers negotiating for him to stop.

“Would you please go back so we can continue this meeting? This is an important topic,” she said.

According to Rose, Congressman Filner said he would not move until “you kiss me.”

Rose alleges Congressman Filner tried to kiss her four separate times.

Rose says, Congressman Filner then received a cell phone call. He stopped, answered his phone and stated he needed to head back to the office, and left.

Morgan Rose is the third woman to step forward this week to publicly make allegations against the embattled Mayor.

She has since contacted the sheriff’s hotline to file an official complaint.

The mayor did not respond to KPBS' repeated attempts for comment.

John Rosman, Mark Sauer and Patty Lane contributed to this story.

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Avatar for user 'CaliforniaDefender'

CaliforniaDefender | July 24, 2013 at 1:35 p.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

Number three.

Is this enough "due process" for the Democratic Party to call for Filner's resignation?

What are they waiting for?

More embarrassment and shame for Democrats? More charges? More damage to San Diego's reputation? More legal fees paid by taxpayers?

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DonWood | July 24, 2013 at 2:06 p.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

About a decade ago, some San Diego organizations, including the local chamber of commerce and the building industry association, hatched a scheme to change the city charter to convert it from a city council/city manager model to a strong mayor model of government. They envisioned putting an individual into the mayor's office who would be business friendly and support local real estate developers. Knowing that this might prove unpopular with the voters, they set the new system up so that other elected officials on the city council could not remove the mayor from office. In fact they amended the city charter to ensure that the mayor could only be removed from office if they resigned or were recalled by the voters. Ironically, they now have a mayor they hate in office and are finding it very difficult to dislodge him, so they are doing everything they can to chase him out of office using a compliant local media to put pressure on him to resign, and are now collecting money to run a recall campaign if the mayor doesn't resign.

Watch for the city attorney to propose very generous cash settlements for every woman who comes forward with accusations against the mayor, then file a lawsuit against the mayor to recoup those funds he gives away. Expect him to offer to drop his lawsuit if the mayor agrees to resign. That is how his opponents plan to put pressure on the mayor to force him out of office. We'll see if it works.

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dbarak | July 24, 2013 at 2:17 p.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

@CaliforniaDefender - Due process isn't three accusations, due process is the investigation initiated because of one or more accusations. Don't worry, Filner will be out of office, as he should be. I'm guessing he's keeping his hands to himself these days, so women may feel a little safer around him (conjecture on my part).

Regarding due process, how would you feel if you'd been accused of something - criminal, civil, moral, or otherwise - but were dealt with without the benefit of an investigation? I'm guessing you wouldn't consider that due process.

How would you feel if a politician that you had backed were in this position? Would you want him or her booted out of office without an investigation? I seriously doubt you would.

Again, the evidence is stacking up against Filner and I personally don't have any doubts that he's guilty of the accusations. I'm confident he'll be out on his butt soon - after due process, unless he decides to leave voluntarily.

When one makes blanket accusations, against a political party in this case, I tend to discount the importance and validity of that person's statements (yours).

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dbarak | July 24, 2013 at 3:01 p.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

@DonWood - I can't tell from your post if you think the mayor is guilty of the accusations. I see you believe there's a plan to oust the mayor. Does this mean you think the accusations are baseless?

(I need to be careful of wording here - words like "plot," "conspiracy," "charges," etc. carry too much linguistic baggage.)

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theRose | July 24, 2013 at 3:11 p.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

CA Def - numerous members of the democratic party have called for Filner's resignation, including congresswoman Davis. The real question is what is Filner waiting for. I was an advocate for due process until the first accuser came forward. Now it's time for Filner to acknowledge that he cannot provide adequate leadership to this city any longer as his very presence is too divisive. If he refuses to resign and forces the people of San Diego into an expensive recall process, he may very well cost the democrats the mayor's office.

Do the right thing for our city, Bob, and resign. Did Gloria & Frye know about your behavior prior to the election and support you anyway with an intent to force your resignation - to their own political benefit - several months in? Possibly, but since you're looking pretty guilty at this point, their political coup is the lesser of the evils.

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CaliforniaDefender | July 24, 2013 at 3:45 p.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

dbarak,

Filner will get his day in court. That is a right afforded every citizen. But he is entirely incapable of performing the duties of mayor.

If you lacked credibility, trust, and women were afraid to speak with you, your employer would fire you. Not because of harassment claims, but because of an inability to perform the duties of the job.

The Democratic Party should also be condemned because AS A PARTY they are tolerating this. The current message is: Abuse of women is tolerable IF you are a Democrat. Just look at Anthony Weiner and Eliot Spitzer if you need additional evidence.

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David_from_San_Diego | July 24, 2013 at 4:32 p.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

Ms. Rose:
But you didn't tell us this when he was running for Mayor, did you? That's because you thought you could benefit if the creep won, because then you would have something on the Mayor, right?
Well, it's YOUR fault that we have a creep for a mayor, because you kept your mouth shut to protect him back when we NEEDED to know this.
As far as I'm concerned, YOU should have to pay for the re-call election, and the election to replace Filner.

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Frankie | July 24, 2013 at 5:43 p.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

There isn't enough blame to go around, I guess.

The Mayor. The Dems. The Chamber and BIA, other banking and development oligarchs. Oh-so-late-to-the-party composed complainants Rose, the aptly named Fink, and McCormack-Jackson. Don't forget the odious City Attorney and Sheriff.

My question is, who's financing the master choreographer? A cascade like this doesn't "happen" in a vacuum and it's very hard to sustain its credibility. IMHO, it's getting silly-seeming, worthy of parody.

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curmudgeoninchief | July 24, 2013 at 5:47 p.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

This is one of the favored strategies of the sexual harassment police, the one that got Bob Packwood to resign, as well as others. You do the slow leak of accusations routine. When it is apparent that one or two accusers "coming forward" isn't enough, you bring forward a third. Then a fourth. Hang in there, Bob, they can't get rid of you until the next election unless you quit voluntarily. The one thing the feministas hate is being successfully ignored when they make sexual harassment complaints. Just keep your head down and keep doing the mayor thing, and tough it out the way Slick Willie did!

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Gene_from_Cali | July 24, 2013 at 5:56 p.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

IIRC, a person has 18 months to file a sexual harassment suit, not 8 years. If this is so important, why has it taken all this time?
Whether harassment happened or not, I think we've seen this pattern before, and usually before an election. And why is Gloria Allred involved? She knows the statute of limitations on sexual harassment.
If it quacks like a duck...

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Ken_phd | July 24, 2013 at 5:56 p.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

So Filner wanted a little action? What's the harm in that? Most women would find him attractive and a good catch. Since he is now available (due to his recent breakup) he is now one of San Diego's most eligible male prospects.

I am sure he is watching all the faux outrage and hub bub with some amusement... as he should. He will never resign because of these jilted women's comments

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SlothB77 | July 24, 2013 at 6:22 p.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

CTRL+F "Democrat"

yep, as expected.

If this was a republican mayor, the word republican would be in the article at least 5 times. War on women indeed.

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nan56 | July 24, 2013 at 6:27 p.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

If Filner wants some action, he should pursue it outside of his business environment. No one should have to go to work and have another person pursuing you for sex.

You are part of the problem if you truly believe its ok to get some action at work...especially if that person is your boss.

BTW...he's not a catch or attractive...yuck.

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Duude | July 24, 2013 at 6:40 p.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

I wonder how Bob Filner, Anthony Wiener, and Elliot Spitzer think about the current scandals of their compatriots. Elliot hasn't had another public episode so he may feel the others provide him with cover, while Weiner and Filner are likely both hoping the other's escapades will take the spotlight off of their own predicament. Filner isn't unlike any narcissist. He's been a congressman for years with others serving him as he sees fit. He's likely had numerous affairs using these disgusting tactics on others. Eventually a few speak out, but others have remained quiet because he's been harrassing women who also happen to be his political supporters and employees. Of course, it eventually catches up with you and when one turns evidence, more will find the guts to do likewise.

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Militarymom2240 | July 24, 2013 at 6:58 p.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

Has anyone considered that his man may have the beginning signs of Alzheimer's? Hyper sexuality is a sign....and I can not believe that this man would have made it this far in his career if he has acted like this all his life?

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MarineRoom | July 24, 2013 at 10:16 p.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

Curmudgeon:

With Sen. Packwood, I believe, there was the matter of his diary, which he kept in his desk in his Senate office. He made entries into it while he was in said office, so the matter of its being a public document came up. That meant the Senate Ethics Committee, already highly uncomfortable from the continuing public pressure from their own constituents, felt they had no choice but to order him to turn it over to them. And--miraculously!--he refused. Once he refused their order, he was challenging their authority to do their job, in other words pitting his power against theirs. You'd think an experienced senator would know better than to outright challenge an entire Senate committee head on, but it showed his arrogance in that he apparently never tried to work something out behind the scenes, which he probably could've done, or deflect it or anything else that might have avoided the direct power play.

Suddenly, he had the chairs and the entire committee furious at him. So the chairs took the matter straight to the full Senate, and it meant that they then had to have a roll call vote on whether or not he should be forced to turn over the diary.

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maroon | July 24, 2013 at 10:22 p.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

Well Dems, you finally got your mayor of San Diego.. this city has had Republican mayors for a long time.
See, San Diego, don't vote for Dems. Just because there is a D next to the name, is not a reason to vote for someone.
Filner already had a history of Sexual Harrassment but the Dems hid that from the voters.
Sexual Harrassment... putting women in neck locks so he could fondle them, is not exactly sexual , unless he is into S&M.

San Diego.. another Weiner ..

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nikkineel | July 24, 2013 at 11:26 p.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

what a shock another NON-victim steps forward. This is called a bad date, not sexual harassment. report him to the website dontdatehimgirl.com not to the sheriffs hotline!!! SD is becoming the laughing stock of the nation because of our definition of a "victim".

This woman could not even sue if this happened yesterday because she did NOT work for him. Bad reporting PBS but why should we expect anything else from Jacobs media machine right?

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nikkineel | July 24, 2013 at 11:28 p.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

EVERY girl should call the sheriffs hotline and report their bad dates like this woman just did and there is no statute of limitations because Laura Fins incident happened EIGHT years ago. so call ladies!!! If I guy ever tried to kiss you and you did not want to kiss him call the hotline now!!

You are making a mockery of real victims of abuse and its appalling. You should be ashamed of yoursel PBS.

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philosopher3000 | July 25, 2013 at 2:15 a.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

So, a special interest lobbyist, and psychologist with a history of sexual trauma, who happens to have written a book on narcissistic men, that she's pimping, almost got kissed once by a Congresman.

Without witnesses, without her reporting this alleged 'incident' at the time, 4 years ago, and no video. And KPBS puts it on TV like it's fact. How exactly do you plan to do journalism and check the facts? Whoops, I guess you can't. Gossip, innuendo, and slander. Nice KPBS. Amita Sharma you should be ashamed.

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metalman40 | July 25, 2013 at 3:24 a.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

I love watching Libtards squirm. You knee jerk jelly fish. You are the same group that campaign relentlessly that one can't put the victim on trial e3ven if she is the worst case of crack whore you can't question her about it. But let a woman, oh that's right three women so far ( legally that's considered a pattern of activity) make an accusation against some libtard wiener (roflmao) and oh the crocodile tears run in rivers. I'm sure none of you upstanding citizens noticed that PBS managed to avoid making any reference to party affiliation. I find it so cute that so far only one reporter let it slip anly the one time. How cute. I don't know if that smarmy looking guy did it or not that's why we have courts (But you don't believe in those either unless they get the result you want) He'll have his day to argue with the accusation. They do have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he did it. Burdens on the state if they take it to trial. So all you leftist apologists have a blast as the press tries him first. It is the song of your people.

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theRose | July 25, 2013 at 6:15 a.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

Wow, this discussion thread has really taken on all the sophistication of a Rush Limbaugh fan fest. Let's see, we've made racial slurs, insulted feminists, and actually employed Limbaugh-coined non-words, rather than discussing the actual topic at hand. KPBS, are you even moderating this thread?

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ctj1975 | July 25, 2013 at 7:27 a.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

San Diego has had far more Republican Mayors than Democrats. Looking back at the field of Mayoral candidates, it certainly looks to me like the Democratic machine coalesced around Filner because he was the Congressman and had high name id. However, the allegations against Filner go back to when he was in Congress. In fact, it was well known that Filner was a bit of a skirt chaser and kind of lecherous toward women.

Shame on the Democratic machine for shuffling women's rights off to the side for naked political power. Filner was an unfit candidate for Mayor and he's unfit to serve. Carl DeMaio was a far better choice.

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ctj1975 | July 25, 2013 at 7:29 a.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

@theRose,

Do you even listen to Rush Limbaugh? You don't know what the hell you're talking about. The only one who has insulted feminists is Bob Filner and his dirty lecherous conduct toward women. Democrats knew he was a perv toward women but they pushed that aside for naked political power.

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x76 | July 25, 2013 at 7:37 a.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

KPBS is really pushing the interview with this third woman this morning, to the point of insanity. Major full-court press between KPBS and the UT to slam Filner. I don't seem to recall the same level of indignation when Bill Clinton's horndog ways came to light. Care to explain the difference? Mainstream media is a political tool, and it's comical that KPBS would be fund raising while hammering this interview over and over and over. It's a non-story as far as I'm concerned. Political gamesmanship. Filner's been doing a heck of a job so far and his oversexed behavior simply has zero to do with his job as Mayor.

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Peking_Duck_SD | July 25, 2013 at 7:53 a.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago


ctj1975 | today at 7:27 a.m. ― 14 minutes ago
San Diego has had far more Republican Mayors than Democrats. Looking back at the field of Mayoral candidates, it certainly looks to me like the Democratic machine coalesced around Filner because he was the Congressman and had high name id. However, the allegations against Filner go back to when he was in Congress. In fact, it was well known that Filner was a bit of a skirt chaser and kind of lecherous toward women.

Shame on the Democratic machine for shuffling women's rights off to the side for naked political power. Filner was an unfit candidate for Mayor and he's unfit to serve. Carl DeMaio was a far better choice.

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Wow, what a misguided post.

Here is a little td-bit for you: these women never came forward publicly. If someone serves 20 years in congress with no charges of sexual harassment against them, it's reasonable to assume they aren't a brazen sexual harasser.

Seems that congress breeds a culture of retribution for anyone who comes out against them, I wonder how many Republicans on "the hill" have violated women and we just haven't heard of it yet.

You think Carl DeMaio would have been better? Have you met his partner? That guy is a hot mess who was already getting drunk in bars telling people he didn't like that when his boyfriend is elected mayor he would use the office for personal vengeance.

DeMaio himself is also an inept puppet of the Republican Bosses and would have been a disaster. A DeMaio victory would have embroiled us in scandal.

I see in your other post you are defending Mr. Limbaugh.

That takes any credibility you have speaking on behalf of women away.

A guy who calls a college student a slut for testifying before congress and who is a known drug addict who visits prostitutes in the Caribbean. Yeah, great role-model for women.

I love this "fake outrage" Republicans have at Filner's alleged perversion.

These right wingers don't care about women being violated, what they care about is nixing Filner and installing a Manchester-backed right-wing yes man for the Republican Machine Bosses at any cost.

Sexual harassment is just a convenient thing to be fake outraged about for them right now.

Lets not forget, Lorena Gonzales said in a public statement that Filner's actions are not unique amongst San Diego's leaders.

I wish she had expanded on that and hopefully we will see- I wonder what prominent republicans have treated women like sexual objects over the years ??

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Peking_Duck_SD | July 25, 2013 at 8 a.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago


maroon:
Well Dems, you finally got your mayor of San Diego.. this city has had Republican mayors for a long time.

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Yes, we have had Republicans as mayor for a long-time, including one who was convicted of a felony whilst in office and had to resign.

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Mmikey | July 25, 2013 at 8:08 a.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

its getting to the point where neither side sounds credible

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ctj1975 | July 25, 2013 at 8:22 a.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

@PekingDuck SD,

You're just another liberal Democrat defending Democrats who are sexual predators against women. You probably have donated money to Anthony Wiener. As for Limbaugh, what is your proof that he visited prostitutes? Also, he was addicted to prescription drugs. Where's your compassion about that? Obviously you're just a hack.

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Peking_Duck_SD | July 25, 2013 at 9:10 a.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

Ctj, nice double standard.

By your logic, I can say Filner is a sexual compulsive (I.e. addicted to sex), so "where's your compassion" for him.

Filner deserves te same level of compassion as Mr. Limbaugh and that's ZERO.

Both are sexist pigs who think they are superior to women and can get away with groping, kissing or, in Limbaughs case, demeaning and calling them sluts if he doesn't agree with them politically.

Your post is partly right, I am liberal, but you are wrong in claiming i support Filner, I have said he needs to go. I also don't support Mr. Weiner either, not that it matters because I don't live in New York City.

You are clearly a republican hack looking to turn this into a partisan issue rather than focusing-in on individuals who do inappropriate things regardless of political ideology.

Your defense of Mr. Limbaugh and your pleas for me to show compassion to such a hateful individual prove clearly where you stand.

Go post on the PRAVDA UT or "fox nation" sites, I'm quite sure you will find plenty of like-minded Limbaugh-loving wingers in there!

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ctj1975 | July 25, 2013 at 9:27 a.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

@Peking Duck,

This is a partisan issue. Where's the outrage on Democratic Party officials who have known of Filner's pattern of sexual harassment and degrading conduct toward women?

There isn't any. Because Filner is a liberal who has promoted abortion rights and other women's issues, he gets a pass from his party's apparatus.

As for Rush, there's a hell of a difference between calling someone a slut for wanting the taxpayers to pay for her birth control and forcibly touching and kissing women.

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nathanhale1776 | July 25, 2013 at 9:30 a.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

Why does this story not mention Filner's party affiliation? Whenever a Republican says something stupid or sexist the party affiliation is not only in the story, it's usually in the headline. Anytime I hear someone complain about the "war on women" I'm going to point to Filner and Weiner. Getting tired of the double standard.

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formerSDresident | July 25, 2013 at 9:53 a.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

I don't understand. It's JUST sex! And it's their business, not ours. An adult male made advances to adult females and they rejected those advances. Should be end of story, right? And anyway, where are the snide comments about these ladies, where they live, the clothes they wear. Where are the private investigators looking into the women's backgrounds? Where are the staunch defenders of this popular Democrat mayor? This strategy worked well when women came forward and accused Bill Clinton; have the Dems switched strategies? Now the man is guilty and the women are angels. Clinton came out of his "mistakes" with clean hands. His victims emerged with lives ruined and reputations smeared, not to mention their clothing.

The double standards are glaring, and you (you know who you are) should be ashamed of yourselves...although I realize that the word "shame" is not in the vocabulary of Dems and Liberals. Yeah, the Clinton years are far behind us, but for millions of us out here, moral and ethic standards are timeless.

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Peking_Duck_SD | July 25, 2013 at 9:54 a.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

ctj1975 and nathanhale1776:

It was members of Filner's own party who first exposed this whole thing - Donna Frye, Gonzalez, Briggs - all Democrats.

KPBS ran PLENTY of stories that said in effect "Members of the Mayor's own party call on him to step down".

KPBS does not state the political affiliation after ever negative comment of Republicans either, you are just cherry-picking.

I knew it was only a matter of time before desperate conservatives who want to outlaw abortion try and make a patheitc attempt to linking the Filner and Weiner scandals to that.

It has to do with POLICY, not a couple perverted outliers.

Hear that my republican friends POLICY. You can trumpet Filner and Weiner all you want, but the Republicans will never get women (much less minorites, gays, the poor, and those under 65) to vote for them because their policies favor old rich white guys, period.

There are just as many sex scandals that have occurred amongst republicans thorughout the years.

And by the way, ctj, what do YOU think Limbaugh went to the Dominican Republic for with doctor-shopped viagra in his posession?

He didn't take a lady friend there, the Dominican Republic is infamous for it's sex trade, and obviously someone packing viagra is of the mind that sexual encounters are a possibility.

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linearsalt | July 25, 2013 at 10:03 a.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

So that's it? This guy tried to give this old woman a kiss? What American BS. He didn't feel her up, he didn't threaten her for not kissing him. He just didn't make it past 'go', that's all. Christ Americans are ridiculous to even spend any time on this. Obviously this guy needs to get a date and a pair of glasses.

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ctj1975 | July 25, 2013 at 10:04 a.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

P.S. Roger Hedgecock was never convicted of a felony. His first trial ended when the jury deadlocked even though the bailiff in the case plied jurors with alcohol and attempted to influence them to convict Hedgecock.

After a series of other issues between the prosecution and defense, including the prosecution's repeated withholding of evidence, His case went all the way to the California Supreme Court which ruled in Hedgecock's favor. When the prosecution had to turn over the evidence, Hedgecock agreed to plead guilty to one count of conspiracy which was reduced to a misdemeanor. All other counts were dismissed and he received no jail time.

So you are not correct that Hedgecock was convicted of a felony while in office. Once again, the liberal left is lying about Republicans in order to obfuscate Filner's perverted acts toward women.

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ctj1975 | July 25, 2013 at 10:10 a.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

Peking Duck,

Yes, a few Democratic women who were pestered by this man called for Filner's resignation. However, the Chairman of the California Democratic Party hasn't. The Chairman of the DNC hasn't. Filner's former colleague, Speaker Pelosi hasn't. And neither has the San Diego Democratic committee.

The Democrat Party machine is protecting Filner. And yes, it is sexual harassment. Any unwanted sexual advance toward someone is sexual harassment. You're right that it has to do with policy. As long as you're a liberal you can do anything you want toward women, minorities, gays, the poor, etc. You'll be protected by the Machine.

I didn't realize you were on the trip with Limbaugh. How do you know he wasn't there with his girlfriend at the time? And how do you know the viagra was doctor shopped? You don't think that someone who has cardiovascular issues might have the need for viagra? You're the one who is hatefully smearing people you disagree with while protecting a sex pest like Filner.

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Goldwater1 | July 25, 2013 at 10:21 a.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

San Diego deserves a clean--hard working Mayor...One of America's great cities...

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Mmikey | July 25, 2013 at 10:42 a.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

In the real world ( outside of the political one) someones brother, husband, or boyfriend would have punched Filner's lights out a long time ago.

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Peking_Duck_SD | July 25, 2013 at 11:09 a.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

ctj:

(1) The official response from the Democratic Party of San Diego is that Filner should not be mayor if the charges are true.

That is the appropriate position to take.

It protects Filner's right to due process (something you seem to vehemently want to defend for Mr. Limbaugh but not for Mr. Filner) while at the same time stating clearly that the party won't support him or anyone doing the actions he is accused of.

(2) Re: Limbaugh's illegally-obtained pill-popping stag party in the Dominican Republic: The event was widely reported in the media, investigators greeted his private plane on return to Florida and it's well documented he was travelling alone. If he needed Viagra for a heart condition, why not get it prescribed in his own name? He had someone else's prescription. By the way, Viagra’s chemical components do have heart benefits but it’s prescribed under a different name, Viagra is prescribed exclusively for erectile dysfunction. Again, Dominican Republic not exactly known for leisure tourism but more for sex-trade tourism, Limbaugh alone, travelling with erectile dysfunction drugs he illegally obtained. But keep defending your boy Limbaugh while making the case Democrats are all evil and Republicans are all spectacular, it simply detracts from your already very low credibility.

(3) Re: Hedgecock: A line in your own post refutes the rest of it:

"Hedgecock agreed to plead guilty to one count of conspiracy which was reduced to a misdemeanor."

Precisely.

And before it was reduced to a misdemeanor it was a ----------------------> FELONY!

I find it interesting how you think I'm being so outrageous by suggesting Limbaugh was on a sex-trip to the Dominican Republic where poor women are sold into prostitution so fat rich white guys can troll over and take advantage of them by throwing money at them or their Dominican pimps, but then you can make statements about Hedgecock's jury being plied with alcohol. Where is your proof of that?

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Peking_Duck_SD | July 25, 2013 at 11:16 a.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

By the way, I don't know if Mr. Limbaugh has weighed-in on the Filner scandal, but he is sure frothing at the mouth over the Weiner scandal.

I guess he's saying sexting is bad but going on sex trips to 3rd world countries with illegally obtained medication is just fine?

He's a hypocrite.

He wants people jailed for drug crimes, except for when HE'S the criminal.

(And ctj, before you tell me I'm "defending Weiner, I'm not; I'm using the example to point out Limbaugh's hypocrisy. I think Weiner is dirty and needs to step aside. I was willing to give him another chance when he orignially came clean at the time of his resignation, but when I learned this week he continued to do it after that, I have no sympathy for the guy. As far as I'm concerned Limbaugh, Filner, Weiner - 3 peas in one pod - out of touch hacks who gain power and think they can get away with whatever the hell they want to).

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ctj1975 | July 25, 2013 at 11:21 a.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

Peking Duck,

You're a quack. When I'm not in San Diego, I'm in the upper midwest. And I know many people who go to the Dominican Republic in the winter time. It's a beautiful country known for pristine beaches and ultra-luxury resorts. I had two friends just get married in the Dominican Republic at a 5 star resort. Your comment about the sex-trade applies more to Thailand than the Dominican Republic. However, the sex trade can be found everywhere including San Diego and TJ. I never said that Viagra has benefits for heart conditions. It's true that people with cardiovascular problems also often have ED. Also, whether we like it or not famous people often use a pseudonym for personal things like hotel reservations and prescriptions in order to preserve their privacy. Rush didn't obtain someone else's medicine. The pharmacist used a nom de guerre. You weren't on the trip and you don't know what happened. But because you hate Rush you like to throw out words like hookers and doctor shopping.

You said that Roger Hedgecock was convicted of a felony while in office. That is factually false. He was never convicted of a felony nor of any crime while in office. Roger probably should have had his whole case thrown out considering the jury tampering and prosecution withholding evidence. But again, you don't care about justice just about screwing over and smearing a Republican. And you're not even informed about the case. It's amazing how you take crap off of left wing blogs and think you're an expert.

http://articles.latimes.com/1992-02-02/news/mn-1985_1_san-diego

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Peking_Duck_SD | July 25, 2013 at 12:15 p.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

ctj1975,
Yes I'm sure you have TONS of friends who spend TONS of time the Dominican Republic who bring TONS of illegally-obtained drugs with them to enjoy the beauty of the country and who can all vouch for the fact that Rush Limbaugh is actually a peace-loving, sensitive guy who practices meditation and likes to volunteer at TB clinics whilst in the Republica Dominicana.

Sure.

And why am I not using the term doctor shopping?

Because that isn't what we are talking about here - we are talking about taking prescriptions that aren't prescribed to you - that's not doctor shopping.

Oh, but have no fear, Mr. Limbaugh has doctor-shopped as well as just taken other people's medications. You see, his drug crimes number more than one. But I'm sure you and your Dominican-specialist friends already knew that.

Now on to your other fallacies:

You: "You said that Roger Hedgecock was convicted of a felony while in office. That is factually false".

Truth: (From NY Times, October 11, 1985 - http://www.nytimes.com/1985/10/12/us/around-the-nation-san-diego-mayor-quits-deputy-to-take-over.html?n=Top%2fReference%2fTimes%20Topics%2fSubjects%2fF%2fFinances)

SAN DIEGO, Oct. 11— Mayor Roger Hedgecock, convicted of conspiring to accept illegal campaign contributions and perjury, resigned today ''in the best interests of the city.''

The 40-year-old Mayor of the nation's eighth-largest city looked downcast as he told a crowd of reporters at a City Hall news conference that his resignation would take effect in a week.

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So you my Limbaugh-loving friend are the one who is incorrect here. And for the record, being convicted of a felony is WHY Mr. Hedgecock resigned in the first place. You are prohibited by law from serving as mayor if convicted of a felony.

If not for that technicality, Mr. Hedgecock would have been clinging to power in a self-serving ego-induced haze just like Mr. Filner is now.

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ctj1975 | July 25, 2013 at 12:55 p.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

Peking Duck,

It's not a technicality. The Prosecution withheld evidence and the California Supreme Court ruled in Hedgecock's favor. The case ended with no jail time and no felony conviction. What you're saying about Hedgecock and Limbaugh are both lies. You are a liar and you know it.

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ctj1975 | July 25, 2013 at 12:59 p.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

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Peking_Duck_SD | July 25, 2013 at 1:06 p.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

Your calling me a liar? You said Hedgecock was convicted after he resigned which was false.

He resigned from being mayor of San Diego as a convicted felon.

That is fact.

Having it reduced to a misdemeanor years later does not change that fact.

And if the court found the change was improper why wasn't his conviction repealed?

Reducing something to a misdemeanor does not mean it didn't happen.

And in addition the felony he was originally convicted of he was also convicted of several misdemeanors which are still on his record.

If you are a paid poster for the Republican Bosses of San Diego County I suggest they make sure they select people with facts before turning them loose on the Internet.

Do you also think Randy Cunningham got a raw deal too ??

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ctj1975 | July 25, 2013 at 1:18 p.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

It was not reduced, his conviction was overturned. Roger Hedgecock is not a convicted felon. You're an idiot and a liar and a smear merchant and truth denier.

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Peking_Duck_SD | July 25, 2013 at 1:34 p.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

His case was reduced to a misdemeanor and dismissed, which is procedural, it doesn't erase it.

It's not equivalent to a pardon, and can still be used against him as a prior or for government background checks.

You can hurl insults all you want but reading through your posts reveals who the stupid one is.

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Peking_Duck_SD | July 25, 2013 at 1:41 p.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

"overturned" means the conviction is completely stricken due to a mis-trial, finding of innocence, or pardon.

The dismissal is different, it was part of a plea bargain where Hedgecock still had to PLEAD GUILTY to the misdemeanor before the judge dismissed it.

That is not "overturning" it.

Whew, did you go to the Oral Roberts University with Michelle B. for your schooling ??

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Tammy Carpowich, KPBS Staff | July 25, 2013 at 1:42 p.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

ctj1975~ I've removed two of your posts for name calling. If you disagree with another commenter, please make your point by disputing the facts. I encourage you to re-post your comments (without the name calling).

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Surfdude99 | July 25, 2013 at 1:52 p.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

Luckily it's San Diego and no one pays attention to what happens in San Diego.

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theRose | July 25, 2013 at 4:33 p.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

Surfdude99 Thank you for that. I was all prepared for national humiliation when we finally got a blurb in the NY Times and brief mention on Colbert, but Weiner's campaign stole the show and no one outside SD even remembers this minor scandal is taking place. Thanks NYC!! You guys rock.

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DonWood | July 25, 2013 at 4:48 p.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

Is it just me, or do others find it interesting that Ms. Rose didn't feel it necessary to make this incident public for four years after she says it took place, after she had written a book she's peddling?

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Frankie | July 27, 2013 at 10:06 p.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

The recent complainants are iffy and their complaints are so old they are festooned with Spanish moss. One is the retired Navy Admiral who fills in around town for whatever establishment jobs need a short-term six-figure figurehead. One oversees the Hospitality major at SDSU -- as in the tourism industry. (Filner recently skewered the greedy Tourism Management District.) Another woman handles Port "tenants" -- as in Papa Doug with his stymied Navy Broadway complex. The psychologist with bewitching eyes is pushing a book. McCormack, also from the Port, at least filed in Superior Court and her charge will be answered.The other two remain nameless and faceless.

Of course it is a set-up. A bunch of powerful people -- in both political parties -- hate Filner and fear him. Doubtless they have a lot of money to throw at their problem, and that is exactly what they are doing, getting the "story" out to national media, producing offended ladies who have taken years to recall their mistreatment. And locally, the anti-Filner coalition of strange bedfellows pushes KPBS to breathless unprofessionalism in its coverage of these revelations as well as the all-out assault coming from Papa Doug's "newspaper" and television show.

Filner has long been known as what someone here quaintly and accurately called a "skirt-chaser."He is no way like Wiener or Spitzer. Nonetheless, that macho proclivity is threatening his mayoral position and he will have to hang tough to hang onto his elected office. He's apologized for wrong-doing. Now he's going to residential counseling. He refuses to resign. I say good for him: intelligent motivated people can change, and I am sure he will.

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Thepoliticalunbiased | July 28, 2013 at 11:23 a.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

seeking her 15 minutes of fame. i dont balme she looks well..... lets just say what filner did was something very nice for her. i mean seriously filner could of done better.

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Len | July 28, 2013 at 4:52 p.m. ― 1 year, 4 months ago

@Caldefender. Were you being sarcastic when you wrote, "Abuse of women is tolerable IF you are a Democrat. Just look at Anthony Weiner and Eliot Spitzer if you need additional evidence."?
Because, yes, LOOK at Weiner and Spitzer. Each had to resign and leave government. Is that your idea of Democrates tolerating abuse of women?

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