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Preparation and impact of COVID kids vaccine

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Kids five to 11 could have a COVID vaccine come November.

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So we want to be ready. I don't think it's going to happen overnight, but first week of November is a good guess.

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I'm Jade Heintzman with Maureen Kavanaugh. This is KPBS mid-day edition, Raising awareness about domestic violence and how to get help.

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You just have to find the courage to say something the main way to break the silence is just breaking it out. And, and it's not always easy.

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A new approach to conservation means not everything can be saved and film critic, Beth DACA talks double oh seven that's ahead on midday. Edition Anticipation is growing for the FDA meeting plan tomorrow, which may result in a new emergency use authorization for vaccines in children aged 5, 3 11, and the run-up to the meeting, the white house announced plans on how it will distribute the vaccine quickly. Once authorization is given. Here's what Dr. Anthony Fowchee had to say about it over the weekend.

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If all goes well, and we get the regulatory approval and the recommendation for the CDC, it's entirely possible. If not very likely that vaccines will be available for children from five to 11 within the first week or 2nd of November

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Here to talk more about where things stand with vaccines for children is Dr. Christian Ramers infectious disease specialist with family health centers and a member of San Diego county's COVID-19 vaccine clinical advisory group. Dr. Ramers welcome. Thank you for having me. You just heard Dr. Fowchee on when he thinks vaccines may be available to kids five through 11. Do you share his assessment targeting early November?

Speaker 2: (02:03)

I think that's about right. You know, we have a very methodical and careful process to get these vaccines approved and the companies have submitted their data. I believe almost, uh, almost three, four weeks ago. That's from Pfizer to the FDA, the FDA just put out their initial assessment and writing and they're going to be meeting tomorrow. And then of course, this goes over to the CDC is advisory committee on immunization practices, and they're likely to meet the first week of November. And then it's about the logistics and the implementation of getting those vaccines out there onto shelves. I can tell you that we are already able to put in pre-orders, uh, those who are going to be vaccinating. So we want to be ready. I don't think it's going to happen overnight, but first week of November is a good guess.

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There seems to be a lot of anticipation for the FDA meeting tomorrow when it comes to the coronavirus vaccine for kids five to 11, what exactly will be discussed in tomorrow's meeting?

Speaker 2: (02:55)

These are always based on the data. And so far, all we've seen was the press release from the company from Pfizer, up until today, when the FDA released actually all of its actual data from the clinical trials, including the very important safety data that everybody wants to see, uh, the FDA kind of tip their hat a little bit in their executive assessment here saying that it looks like the benefits are going to outweigh the risks. And there's one thing on everybody's mind, which is, is myocarditis or pericarditis going to be a big factor when we vaccinate younger children

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Is an approval forthcoming. And if so, what type of approval and for which vaccines specifically.

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So I'd be careful with the word approval, because what they're talking about is an emergency use authorization. Uh, you know, this is what's given first and then an approval usually comes a little bit later, but we are talking about just Pfizer. At this point, we've heard a little bit of preliminary information on the modern of vaccine, and it's not exactly the same vaccine that was used in adults. It's a lower dose. So an adult Pfizer vaccine as 30 micrograms of material, and this was titrated down very carefully to 10 micrograms for this age group of five to 11. And there are some figures in the data here that show that that actually did result in lower side effects. And yet still seem to provide the same level of immunity compared to younger adults in the larger trials.

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And as you mentioned, new data related to the modern of vaccine for children in that five to 11 age group was just released. What can you tell us about those findings?

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Sure. So this was from a study called the kid cov study, and I think they recruited close to 5,000 children. They also titrated the dose down, so Moderna and adult, but during a vaccine is a hundred micrograms. They use 50 micrograms or half the dose, and they essentially showed the same thing that the Pfizer data looks like. It shows, which is equivalent immune responses to young adults in the much larger trials. And so far we just have the press release, but the press release says that the safety and tolerability was similar to what they saw in the adult trials as well.

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So now that we've got that data, any idea of when Moderna, uh, versions of the kid's vaccine might be available, and what about J and J as well?

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If we follow the same timelines and Madonna in their press release says this data is going to be submitted to the FDA right away. And so that would be in the next couple of days, I would presume. So we're looking at maybe three weeks from now that the Madrona data will be reviewed that's up to the FDA and their committee structure, and then J and J I don't think we've seen much of anything. So, you know, we, we may not get there with J and J we'll have to sort of wait and see what, what they say

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Last week. The white house announced their plans to roll out vaccines to children, aged five to 11 in anticipation of the FDA's approval, or at least emergency authorization. Here's white house coronavirus response coordinator. Jeff zines

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Kids have different needs than adults. And our operational planning is geared to meet those specific needs, including by offering vaccinations and settings that parents and kids are familiar with and track.

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Do we know where kids will be able to get the vaccine

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You're hearing? There is really an acknowledgement that parents don't want to bring kids and sit in the parking lot at Petco and mass vaccination lines. There they're much more comfortable getting vaccines in their pediatrician's office or in their family medicine doctor's office. You know, look, kids, vaccinating kids is a major part of preventative health care and pediatrics. And so why not use what's already there? And so they've had to make some adjustments in terms of shipping the vaccines, authorizing the vaccinators and an even in something as simple as what the vile looks like and, uh, and how many doses can be given. So it really focusing more on pediatrician's offices where families trust their pediatrician for all the other vaccines that their children receive.

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Earlier. You mentioned the concern about myocarditis associated with the vaccine. What can you tell us about what the data is currently saying about that?

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Well, I just looked it over. This is from the FDA document and that's derived from data that Pfizer submitted to them. There were actually no reports of myocarditis or pericarditis or anaphylaxis or death in this entire trial of, I think I said that almost 3000 children in the, in the Pfizer data. So there was a concern based on what we saw, uh, the rare episodes of myocarditis in young adults and in teenagers and, and, uh, those in their twenties. But again, by titrating the dose down, it looks like they've avoided that almost completely in this five to 11 age group,

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Vaccine hesitancy has presented major challenges to health officials, uh, in the last year. How are you approaching potential vaccine hesitancy when it comes to younger children,

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We've learned a lot in the last year and a half about what people need in order to feel comfortable proceeding with the vaccine. And really the number one thing is to have that discussion with their own healthcare provider. And so I think we're prepared and we're ready to have those one-on-one conversations. I think everybody expects that there's a group of parents that are just waiting to go and I, and I've already made up their minds. They're ready to get their children vaccinated. There's a group in the middle who are hesitant and kind of want to wait and see, maybe see a little bit more of the data or have that conversation with their pediatrician. And then those are groups that are really on the other side and really don't want to go there yet. And maybe they need a little bit more attention and to get their questions answered. And that's fine. That's a spectrum of hesitancy across the board. Uh, but suffice to say, what needs to happen is these conversations between parents and families with their own healthcare provider.

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I've been speaking with Dr. Christian Ramers infectious disease specialist with family health centers of San Diego and a member of the San Diego county vaccine clinical advisory group. Dr. Ramers. Thank you. Thank

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You so much for having me.

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Uh, [inaudible]

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Uh, search was planned once again, over the weekend for Maya mail yet day, even after the arrest last week for her husband for murder, volunteers have been conducting searches for the 39 year old mother of three. Since January, when she disappeared from her Chula Vista home, her husband, Larry is now in jail charged with her murder. He pleaded not guilty. Interest has been growing in the disappearance of mule Yeti over the past nine months. Now her fate and her husband's arrest is a national story, but it is unfortunately not a unique story for those working to prevent domestic violence. The American journal of emergency medicine reports a spike in intimate partner violence since the start of the pandemic. Johnny Mia is on a Serrano with Los [inaudible] resource group in San Diego. And on a welcome to the program,

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Thank you for having me

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Worth the pandemic, lockdowns dangerous for those in abusive relationships.

Speaker 3: (09:27)

I think they just became more dangerous because now you're locked in doors with your abuser and you can't really go out. So it was just a very sad situation

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In your organization experience here in San Diego did calls for assistance increase.

Speaker 3: (09:44)

We did get a lot of calls and we did our best to help them. It was difficult because we deal with a lot of legal issues. The first couple months we closed down, our, our phones were always on. So a woman could always call, but the most we could do is just give her tips on how to stay safe and what to do. Just encourage her to call the police if need be because just escaping was, it was a multifaceted problem, but no easy solution.

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Now, people who are the victims of domestic violence often keep it to themselves. It's a secret in the family. How do you help break that silence?

Speaker 3: (10:21)

It's just encouraging her to speak out, to say something, you know, you just, you just have to find the courage to say something the main way to break the silence is just taking it out. And, and it's not always easy.

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It's one person better to tell than another. In other words, who should you talk to?

Speaker 3: (10:38)

It would have to be somebody that you trust, even if they can't provide a help, even if they can't really do anything, just somebody that you trust. It only gets worse when you don't say anything, but once you say something, then the door opens for help.

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What are the signs to look out for when you suspect that someone, you know, could be trapped in an abusive relationship,

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Very isolated. That's one of the first things they get isolated. If they stopped coming around, if this boyfriend or significant other is always attached at their hip, they're just always there.

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We've heard that leaving an abusive relationship may be the most dangerous time for a victim. What precautions can a person take?

Speaker 3: (11:20)

She needs to set a plan because just leaving is dangerous. It's kinda like, okay, when you plan to go to war, you could be plan who you're going to go. You know, who's your enemy. What are you going to do? What are you going to take? What are you going to leave behind? Just a lot of planning. I often tell women, look, if you're going to leave, make sure you got all your important documents that you're going to need. Get clothes for the kids, get clothes for you. Take the suitcase over to her friend's house to a family member. Somebody, somebody that you trust have a place to go. Where are you going? Make sure you got everything that you need. And then leave. Because if you just leave, then of course, you're going to have to go back. But if you plan it and you plan, I'm going to go get a restraining order and you actually follow through you go get that restraining order. And you go someplace where you know, you're going to be safe. Then the chances of going back or are slimmer. So it's just, it's a matter of planning. What do I need to take? Where am I going to go? You have to have a plan.

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Um, this is domestic violence awareness month. Are there many resources for victims of domestic violence here in San Diego? Oh,

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There's lots of resources throughout San Diego county. There's shelters. There's you know the courthouse, you know, if you want to go get a restraining order, the shelters, there are a lot, but they're usually full. So it's hard to get into a shelter. But one of the things I always suggest to women is get a restraining order. You can get a kick out order. And a kick-out order is an order where the judge will sign a paper. The sheriffs will go out and they'll throw him out of the house so she can at least stay in the house or the apartment or wherever they're living. And she has about a month to decide, why do I want to do, do I want to stay? Do I want to leave? You know, do I want to go back, live with my, my, my parents? You know, do I want to find my own place? It gives her, it gives her time to decide what she wants to do before she goes back to court to request a permanent restraining order.

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Oh no. You know, when cases of alleged domestic violence really hit the news, like the mule Yeti case or the case of Gavi potato, what is its effect on survivors? Like you, does it trigger bad memories?

Speaker 3: (13:34)

You know, it depends. It depends on the woman herself. If you're far removed, like I'm far removed. Now it's been over 30 years, but for women who are recent, you know, it, it does, it, it reminds you of what happened. But if you've gotten some therapy, if you've gotten some help, if you work through whatever the issue was, you know, it doesn't have to be a trigger, you know, as long as you've gotten help and you got some therapy and you realize that, you know what that was, that was then now, now I'm here. I'm safe. I'm good. Um, I made a good decision and I left and I, and I think it just, it depends on the woman. I it's, it's hard for me to get triggered now, super hard for me. It's more a sadness. It's more a sadness that when I hear things like that, and I mean, cause there's nothing. There's nothing that that can be done. And I'm sure they go and they go find help. Sometimes they go find out some, sometimes they don't, but it just makes me sad is, is what comes up for me.

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That's the best advice that you give to women in these abusive relationships.

Speaker 3: (14:48)

So the best advice I can give her is you're not alone. You're not alone. There is help reach out for help. Call me if you need to call me and you know, I'll take you by the hand, I'll walk you through the legal system. I'll walk you through a restraining order. I'll talk to you. I'll listen to you. Cause I've been there, done that. Read the book about the t-shirt. I get it. I understand. And it's not easy to leave it. It is just not easy, but it can be done. You can leave. I remember he's lying to you when he tells you that you need him, that you won't make it without him. That you're dumb. You're stupid. You're ugly. Who would want you? They are just lies. You are worth it. You are valuable and you deserve a better life. And that's what I would tell her.

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I've been speaking with Anna Serrano with last fall. Vontez has resource group in San Diego on a thank you so much.

Speaker 3: (15:45)

You're very, very welcome.

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You're listening to KPBS. Mid-day edition. I'm Jade Hindman with Maureen Kavanaugh as climate change accelerates. And the impact is more apparent on our natural resources. The goal and scope of conservation is changing for America's national parks. That goal is moving away from absolute conservation to triage as rising temperatures, transform ecosystems. The bleak reality now is that some things can be saved and some things can't that's according to guidance handed down in may to park managers, Greg Schuerman is an ecologist and researcher with the park service climate change response team who helped write the guidance. He joined us to talk about it back in may. Here's that interview? So Gregor, how has the goal of conservation efforts changed as the effects of climate change become more pronounced,

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Um, keen to elaborate a little bit on that, because I think it's important to understand that when we say absolute conservation, what we're really talking about is preserving everything exactly where it was as it was, is difficult and becoming more so because climate is a fundamental driver of ecological conditions. So if you turn the temperature up or you change the moisture regime, you're starting to favor different species than those that have historically existed in a place. And so this sort of broader way to think about this is to recognize that we are now managing a moving picture. Nature is always in motion, but because of our influence and that motion is fast enough that we can't pretend we're managing a snapshot. And so when we talk about giving up, ideally what we're talking about is giving up on conserving perhaps as a population of a certain species in a certain place, but hopefully shifting our emphasis spatially elsewhere.

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So that ultimately we're still committed and working towards the protection of our biodiversity heritage. But we're recognizing that we have to do it in the context of motion on the one hand, a fairly simple point, moving picture versus a snapshot. But in terms of practice, that's the difference between saying we're going to bring back everything that used to be here to this place, versus we are going to preserve everything that used to be here, wherever it is, emotion. It's like the rug is shifting underneath conservations feet. And if we're going to continue to succeed, we need to learn how to dance.

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You've been quoted as saying the mission of the parks services to conserve unimpaired. How has climate change complicated? That

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The way that is stated is in the legislation it's conserved unimpaired, it's also often stated as preserve unimpaired preserve and impaired tends to lead people to think we mean conserve everything exactly where and how it was. When we say preserve, when we say conserve the way we interpret policy, it gives us the flexibility that we have a commitment to preserve biodiversity, to preserve our natural heritage, but it doesn't lock us into doing so exactly where and how it used to be done in the past. So it seeks flexibility.

Speaker 1: (18:56)

As you mentioned, certain conservation efforts will have to be given up. So park managers can focus on more important goals. What are some of the criteria for prioritizing key conservation efforts in the near future?

Speaker 8: (19:09)

Well, we try to think about as being strategic overall, the resources that we can devote to conserving our natural heritage always will be limited, uh, relative to the task. There is almost always more we could do with more resources. So the ultimate question is how can we get the most conservation return for our investment? If we want to use business terms or how can we achieve the most success with our limited resources and ultimately this means being strategic. And what this means is when we choose to resist change and restore a population exactly where it was, we ought to put that under some kind of a microscope and then to find glass and just ask ourselves, is that going to work, given what we know about how our climate has changed in that place and how it will change in the future. Now, if we can ascertain that it will, right, that you can bring back the Connor, blue butterfly let's sites or a particular site, and you've done your homework. You can show your work. Then there is nothing wrong with an approach that looks like traditional conservation, but increasingly we're becoming concerned with investing like we always have and perhaps not getting that return. And what managers then say is, gosh, in that case, I really would like those worker hours, those dollars back so that I can save some other resource that perhaps had a better chance. So it's a lot about allocation, about recognition of the finitude of our resources, and then doing the best job we can.

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You know, the predictions for nearby Joshua tree national park are particularly rising temperatures and more aggressive fire seasons could result in catastrophic losses for the park. Can you tell us more about that and how the guidelines will affect conservation efforts there?

Speaker 8: (20:59)

That is a difficult situation and it's one that's fairly well documented. And you've got a combination there of increasing temperatures and also exotic species that are changing that fire regime. That's a really difficult situation. What one hears when one talks to the managers at Joshua tree is both a recognition that there are places where it's going to be tough to retain the Joshua tree within its former range. But on the other hand, there are some places Refugio, as they're called that are somewhat sheltered from these modern drivers. Um, it's important to recognize that across the landscape, not every acre has the same vulnerability context really matters. And so a lot of the discussion when we're here in that part of the world is about again, being strategic and investing perhaps very heavily to resist change where it's feasible. And at the same time, again, trying to avoid wasting dollars in places that are really unlikely to result in success.

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How important is it that there be a global understanding of what's happening,

Speaker 8: (22:01)

Uh, right to our peers and to managers in the peer reviewed literature and beyond, we often emphasize the global nature of this change. And we do that for two reasons. One is it's important to understand that this is global and it's not just for instance, in American problem. And so our colleagues and our peers who can help us think about this can be found around the world. So that's a huge resource in terms of a common problem with a great number of people, all thinking about it. It's also important to understand this as a global problem, because that's why we need to do the kind of thinking we do. And we can't just mitigate locally. You know, other sorts of problems. One can, as I talked about earlier, fence out the bad guys, so to speak, or, or at least in one way or another counteract, some of these stressors that climate change is a really tough one. And so on the one hand, as I've said, it's important to recognize nobody's alone. We're all in this together. And by that, I mean humanity. And on the other hand, it's important to realize these are big global problems that require again, a different approach than the historical approach to resource conservation.

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I've been speaking with Gregor skier, Mon, and ecologist and researcher with the climate change response program at the national park service Gregory. Thanks so much for joining us.

Speaker 8: (23:18)

You're very welcome to

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The descendants of some of Southern California's early pioneers are trying to save their ancestors crumbling home. KVC has Megan Jamerson has this report from east Los Angeles in the inland empire where a farming town was built when California was still part of Mexico

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On an industrial street in the city of Riverside delivery trucks, rumble past a small wooden building. The Trujillo Adobe built over 150 years ago in 1862, but that's not how Nancy Melendez first knew it. It was just grandma's house. Melendez is a descendant of the man that built the Adobe Lorenzo Trujillo. As we enter the wooden structure that protects it. She shares the home, stayed in her family until 1957. When her great-grandmother decided it was time to live somewhere with indirectly,

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I would come and spend the night with grandma and it was a beautiful place. And it seems so huge to me, you know, and I used to sit in that window in the window sill and read my books.

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It's pointing to what's left of her great-grandmother's home, which is only three Adobe walls held up by supports. The county of Riverside, bought the property in 1977 with the intention of creating a local historic park. But then there were budget cuts and bad weather. The roof collapsed followed by the fourth mud brick wall.

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It was that Murphy's law. If anything could go wrong,

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It did Melinda's and her cousins are behind a grassroots effort, started around a decade ago to save the Adobe and revived park plants. They also created the Spanish town heritage foundation to raise awareness of this part of California's history.

Speaker 10: (25:04)

It's the history of Riverside. And when I like to call it Riverside's prehistory. Um, but there was this community that was here and these people are people that are still

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The story starts in the 18 hundreds. When Trujillo was born in New Mexico, a henna Sato, he native American raised in a Spanish household. Most likely not by choice as an adult, he led 10 local families over 1200 miles to accept a promise of owning the land. Melendez is standing on now quickly. The area became the largest non-native Hispanic settlement between Santa Fe, New Mexico and Los Angeles along an old Spanish trade route. And the Adobe is all that remains.

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And so we said, well, how can we get this story out? Because no one knew

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This work has the support of Riverside counties, parks department, which is renewing its commitment to raising awareness to the many ways minority communities have shaped the region as county historic preservation, officer Tony per Ruchi. He says the Adobe recognizes early settler history, but also

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It can tell the story of that north side neighborhood, which was largely Hispanic actually throughout the 20th century. Um, and we don't have historic resources that are able to tell that narrative

Speaker 9: (26:17)

Biggest challenge has been finding the millions of dollars. It will take during perogies three years in the role he's worked closely with Nancy Melendez and the Spanish town heritage foundation, as they seek out private donations and make the case for state and federal funding. The Adobe is now written into the counties development plans. And this year it was named one of America's 11, most endangered historic places says perogies.

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Yeah, this is very much, you know, the Adobe's

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Time

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To shine for Melendez on her cousins. They will continue the work of sharing the story to anyone willing to listen, including local third graders. They do school presentations on the Adobe where they share the names of the settlements. First families like the [inaudible] and Espinosa says Melendez,

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The little hands, shoot up, say, that's my name? That's my cousins, David,

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That's my aunt's name. The local park would ensure generations can engage with this history and learn their place in. It says Melendez

Speaker 10: (27:12)

Powering because we have been made to feel that, um, we don't belong and we do. And that's important. It's, it's just, we need to knock down barriers that prevent us from communicating with one another and understanding one another

Speaker 9: (27:28)

There, because knowing our history or where we come from says Melendez is the only way to know where we are headed for the California report. I'm Megan Jimmerson and Riverside.

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You're listening to KPBS mid-day edition. I'm Jade Hindman with Maureen Kavanaugh, the latest James Bond film, no time to die opened earlier this month and KPBS cinema junkie host Beth OCHA, Mondo continues her exploration of the double of seven universe. In part two of her podcast, she is joined by spy aficionados, Gary Dexter, and Jeff quest. And this excerpt, they discuss the women in the bond franchise.

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Welcome back in part one of our discussion of bond James Bond, we left off discussing the formulaic elements that we expect in a double oh seven movie. One of the things we've come to expect our bond girls. Now the franchise has received considerable criticism for its depiction of women, often being called sexist chauvinistically and even downright misogynistic from our current perspective, many of the early bond films do have cringe-worthy moments like this from Goldfinger.

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I'd find you in good hands. Felix, Felix, Leiter Felix say hello to drink, drink, say goodbye to Felix Montauk.

Speaker 12: (29:10)

Oh, and just for emphasis, didn't get the slap on the butt from bond while such behavior would not be tolerated in a film today. This was 1964, and bond was never meant to be a role model presented for people to imitate. So to ask those early films from more than a half a century ago to reflect today's attitudes is a bit unfair. And let me put this into a context from the perspective of a four-year-old girl in 1964, Mary Poppins, in my fair lady, where the top box office draws that year Doris Day was being on me as a modern woman role model. And the Beverly hillbillies and petticoat junction were the top rated TV shows. That's a pretty bleak landscape for images of women. So yeah, I'm much more comfortable with galore and Diana Riggs, Tracy DBN Shenzhou as my sixties era role models, the doors stay. So now let's hear from Jeff and Gary on the legacy of the bond girls to lead us into Jeff's comments, here's Ursula and dress emerging from Jamaican waters to reveal the very first cinematic bond girl in 1960 twos. Dr. No

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Looking for shells. No, I'm just looking, Hey, where you are. I promise I won't steal your shells. I probably see what either. What's your name or what have you writing?

Speaker 14: (30:32)

I think we've seen bond over the years struggle, right? Cause I think it was very black and white back in the sixties. The way they could play these characters, I think a little bit more. And as times have shifted, I think there's been tension and how to, how to have bond interact with some of the female characters that they bring in and especially more recently. And I think it's hard because it, they want to play with that formula. They want to keep that formula in place, but it's less and less palatable to have an kind of Sean Connery era style in, in modern times. And I agree with that, you know, I think there's been some, you know, you had Michelle Yow as, as one of the bond female characters

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Over there, you were pretty good with that hook. It comes with growing up in a rough neighborhood. You were pretty good on the bike. Well, that comes from not growing up at all. Don't get any ideas, Mr. Ball, just off the cuff. I told we might link up, stick close to each other. Maybe we go off to general shine to go. Thanks for washing my hair,

Speaker 14: (32:01)

The bond female characters, uh, Halle Berry, I think they were different and the way that they were trying to portray them with, uh, Brosnan,

Speaker 16: (32:10)

The office thing, CIA NSA, hello, we're on the same side. Doesn't mean we're after the same thing done world peace, unconditional love, and a little Fred with the expensive acne.

Speaker 14: (32:24)

More recently, you know, you see with Daniel Craig, they've done some different things, especially in casino Royale where they're trying to make this a darker character and give some more nuance to some of the people that they're bringing in some of the female aids by

Speaker 17: (32:40)

The cut of his suit, you went to Oxford and wherever naturally think human beings dress like that. But you were, it was such disdain. My guess is you didn't come from money and your school friends never let you forget it, which means you were at that school by the grace of someone else's charity, hence the chip on your shoulder. And since your first thought about me render, orphan, that's what I'd say you are, or you are. I like this poker thing. And that makes perfect sense. Since then, my six looks for maladjusted, young men, give it a little thought to sacrificing others in order to protect queen and country.

Speaker 14: (33:16)

So I think it's a delicate dance that they've been walking. And I don't know if they've been successful all the time, but I appreciate their struggle with it. I guess

Speaker 18: (33:25)

One of course the thing that we've seen go away mercifully is the, uh, is the casual violence against the female characters.

Speaker 13: (33:33)

I'll be worse than done if you don't tell me you're doing this on the road, as I know what Ali, I don't know what you mean. Liar.

Speaker 18: (33:43)

It's fairly commonplace in a, in the Connery era and even the very early Roger era. Although I know that from interviews with more himself, he found that very distasteful. I think we've had a few decades where it would be the cliche for the actresses that had been given the roles of one, the roles to say, well, I'm going to be a different kind of a bond girl as they used to be known. And then we'd get to the movie and find that well now, unfortunately they weren't that different. I do think that a lot of the villainous, if you like roles or the female henchmen, I'm thinking of on top in particular, the gun

Speaker 19: (34:22)

Come on there. That depends on your definition of safe sex. It's close enough,

Speaker 18: (34:33)

Particularly strong characters and you know, even galore, very ambiguous semi villainous.

Speaker 13: (34:39)

Well, why don't you join me 913 and Mr. Goldfinger's personal place you are. And uh, just hope personnel is that I'm a good pilot period. Well, that's good news. This should be a memorable flight. You can turn off the job.

Speaker 18: (34:59)

They've been stronger and actually more of bonds equals. And I think we're moving to a time now and we'll see how they do with no time to die, where we're finally actually going to see women on a par with bond. We've got a woman of color carrying the double or the seven role. And from what we've seen in the trailers, that's going to be, um, a genuine equal

Speaker 13: (35:21)

Constantly.

Speaker 20: (35:23)

No me is probably one of the only few women and also women of color in MSX and in the AA program, the women that you see in this movie will very clearly reflect the kind of women that are in the world today and be in is

Speaker 18: (35:37)

At that. I think that's the way it should be going forward. I mean, we don't want them to be overly realistic, but we needed to be plausible. And I think there needs to be more of a recognition that espionage operations are team efforts and that there will be other significant agents involved. And even going back to the living daylights, when we've seen more of them than most other movies, you don't see a lot of other double O's in bond. Then whilst you want to focus on bond as our main man, our protagonist and our sort of doorway into that universe, it would be very interesting to see. I think other double O's in a team context, in a bond movie, we may be about to get that. I hope so.

Speaker 1: (36:18)

That was Beth Dak. Amando speaking with Gary Dexter and Jeff quest to listen to the full cinema junkie podcast, James Bond part to go to kpbs.org/cinema junkie

Speaker 7: (36:34)

Chocolate is something you can fall in love with. It's a big part of our favorite celebrations from Halloween to Valentine's day chocolate is something chef Kristoff, Ruth fell in love with. And just this month, the San Marcos pastry chef has been named the us chocolate master chef rule is now moving on to the world chocolate masters competition in Paris. Next year. It's a pleasure to welcome America's chocolate king Kristoff rule and Christophe. Welcome to the show.

Speaker 21: (37:05)

Thank you for having me has

Speaker 7: (37:07)

Winning this chocolate competition. Been a dream of yours,

Speaker 21: (37:11)

Always since the beginning of my career, I have been, uh, uh, watching and following a kind of competition. Uh, this one, the Walter Quinn muster is one of the biggest competition in my field. And it's something that you always look out as a, as a young student when you start the culinary school. And when you, uh, look at those guys and see what they are capable to do with the ham and chocolate, and you're like, it's like a dream you're like, there is no way that you can do that in chocolate, but yes, there is a way. And, uh, uh, since, since the beginning I was like, okay, if one day that will get to that level, uh, that will be really a great achievement. And, uh, and here I am, I just spend the last couple years training on, uh, on this competition for only the national selection due to COVID-19, the competition has been postponed a little bit. Uh, so we are the one more year to, uh, to get ready for me two years to, uh, to train on five defense assignments. And, uh, I spent two days in Chicago about a couple of weeks ago. And, uh, at the end of those two days, uh, I've been, I've been selected to represent America next year in France.

Speaker 7: (38:17)

Now, as people can probably tell by listening to you, you were born in France, you started cooking and France became a pastry chef. Eventually came to the park Hyatt in Carlsbad, and there you started making chocolate sculptures. What were they like

Speaker 21: (38:32)

During the five-year-olds? I was, uh, designing a huge or Christmas displays or one year it was a big chocolate trend inside the snow globe. There is another area. We did a life size gingerbread house with a huge Christmas tree. And I brought back my team from Halloween wall because I'd been on food network and we got lucky enough to, uh, to win the competition amazing time. And, uh, I love, I love my time working in Buckeye. It was pretty amazing experience

Speaker 7: (39:00)

Now for the semi-final chocolate master competition, you created some incredible chocolate creations. Can you tell us about one or two of them?

Speaker 21: (39:09)

I am an ocean lover and, uh, and I know how important the ocean as for the human and for the planet. And, uh, so I really focused on that term. So one of them was a big chocolate showpiece dutiful curl on the bottom. Uh, and on the top, uh, you had, uh, uh, Monterey and the month already was kind of like a whole presentation of, uh, of the feature of what we could do to save the ocean. So that was one of the assignments. And, uh, I think one of the assignments that really, really pleased the judges was a C curl. So I collaborate with, uh, a local athletes in Carlsbad and, uh, we could avoid for about couple of months, uh, to create a cold plate handmaids and a deep into different, uh, sort of glaze. And on top of that, it was a little, uh, kind of like co-presentation of ocean. Uh, but it was a sweet,

Speaker 7: (40:04)

What is it about chocolate that inspires you?

Speaker 21: (40:07)

It's really artistic. Uh, there is a way to, uh, express ourselves throughout just a piece of [inaudible] is just a beautiful what you can do and it's enough. And also who doesn't like chocolate, right? I mean, I don't know too many people was going to tell me, oh, I hate chocolate. I had never heard about that.

Speaker 7: (40:24)

Now you've been on, as you say, quite quite a few TV cooking competitions, Halloween wars, holiday wars on the food network. You're now on a show called bake squad on Netflix. Why do you like these cooking competitions?

Speaker 21: (40:37)

Well, honestly, it's just, it's just a challenge and I'm not picking up every single competition that is out there because, uh, I think I need to pick something that is kind of focused in addition of my personality, when I'm being called to a Halloween wall, it was [inaudible]. And, uh, I love working with sugar as much as I love working with Joe Gray. So I'm like, okay, well, why, why not? And I actually, I learned a lot from the show being able to, uh, came up with, uh, a cake app key, the pimping cover. I mean, it's not something that I've used to and the learning opportunities that you can get throughout the show. It's amazing. Of course you think about the exposure. That's one thing, because down the road, my goal is to certainly maybe open a pastry school and I would love to open a pastry school around San Marcos area or San Diego around this area.

Speaker 21: (41:25)

There is no great, which is as of today. Uh, so I would love to, to be able to, to do that down the road, a big squad, that was just also a Nazar opportunity. And that's amazing. It's just doing your passion and share it with the rest of the world. So I would say why not, instead of being he didn't on your kitchen and, uh, not, uh, not showing the capability of what a pastry chef or a baker can do. I thought it was just an amazing opportunity to be able to be there and give your best and just showing to the, to the rest of the world.

Speaker 7: (41:58)

Were you training for next year's world chocolate masters event?

Speaker 21: (42:02)

Well, honestly, uh, that's been only a couple of weeks that I just passed the national and I already started failing the class that I just been in Las Vegas is part of the training. Uh, I learned a few techniques that I can incorporate for the final in Paris. I decided to, uh, resign from my position in the backyard to fully focus, uh, only on the competition. So that's what I'm going to do. I'm going to train, uh, with, uh, two times [inaudible] intestine and I'm going to spend one full year off teaching classes at time, but most likely train for the final of the world's great master.

Speaker 7: (42:41)

No, if you win, you'll be the first person representing the U S to win. Is that important to you?

Speaker 21: (42:47)

That's correct. Now the, uh, amazing, great shipments. I mean, when you think about it is having the possibility to enter the history of the world to create master and America now will be. Yeah. Now that will definitely be something huge

Speaker 7: (43:02)

Christoph after all the years of creating chocolate masterpieces, do you still just enjoy eating a piece of chocolate?

Speaker 21: (43:10)

Oh, I love it. Of course. Not every day. This is not going to be my go-to snack every single day, but I can say no to chocolate, so I love it. But you know what, when you walk in a kitchen in a pastry and a more kind of a guy eating Salisbury and really enjoy like a good, uh, [inaudible] cheese and, uh, with, uh, with a glass of wine here and there, then a big fan about pastry. I love doing it because we see our feet and because you can create emotion and create memories on, uh, on, on people, uh, uh, life. Uh, but as far as my preference is I will not enjoy food.

Speaker 7: (43:52)

Well, I've been speaking with chef Khrushchev rule and congratulations and good luck as you move on to the world chocolate masters competition next year.

Speaker 21: (44:02)

Thank you so much.