Four Things To Know About NFL Meeting On Chargers
Our top story on Midday Edition San Diego City Hall is saying tonight is the night for Chargers fans to stand up and be counted. The National Football League is holding a town hall meeting at the Spreckels Theater to hear from thence about the Chargers plan to move to the LA market. The NFL will hold similar meetings in Oakland and St. Louis home of the two other teams that want to move to LA. Early next year the leak is expected to decide which teams get to move. Just a ahead of tonight's meeting, they unveiled a new video that gives a computer animated view of a new mission Valley Stadium, Hall of Fame the sportscaster narrates. Our coastal waves inspire the shimmering kinetic façade. "Courses explode the superb weather giving San Diego fans the best game day experience the league can offer. The rich maritime culture is referenced in a fabric roof canopy, which transforms into a work of fine art by the use of LED lighting evening games and events. Joining me now what they are opinions about tonight and hold meetings are Jay Paris, sports columnist . Welcome, Jake. And Jim Lackritz , Jim, welcome to the show. Thank you. J, can you give us a rundown as only you can do of why the NFL is having a town hall meeting here, and what does it have to do with the city's efforts to build a new stadium? I think the NFL is trying to play the good corporate citizen here, and they certainly aren't obligated to this, but I think it checks off some of the boxes to show that the relocation protocol is being followed, and that they do listen to the fans, and they are concerned about the heartache of a team leaving that particular city would bring. I think it is a dog and pony show. These are cutthroat businessman, and they will follow the money, that is for sure. That said, I think that it is neat that the charger fans can vent if nothing else. I am not sure how big of an impact it will have. J, remind us on what they have to make a proposed meeting to meet the Chargers in the NFL's needs? They have come up with a plan. All the bows are not tied together. They are planning on many coming from the city, and from the county. Well, nobody has voted on the stuff, and they would have to get through slate of arteries as well to prevent. So, the biggest thing that Jim was mentioning earlier, the Chargers aren't interested. To still my old buddy Dick Ambers phrase, that video is awesome, and it is oh my. Which is his phrase. But the Chargers they oy vey. We have been there before and we don't want to go to mission Valley. If we had a preference, we would want to go downtown. There's another initiative out there may be floating around, but I think it is too little too late. Jim, J says these are hardheaded corporate guys. This is a business decision, can't you tell us some of the practical considerations that the NFL will have when it decides if the Chargers can move to Carson? The first major consideration that they will have is how many teams would have to start with the Los Angeles. Obviously, the Rams want to be there. The Chargers want to be there. The readers do not look like they will have a stadium. They need to have a partner to be there. Three, seems to be too much way to early. You can start with one or you can start with two. That is the first thing that they are looking at. The second thing they are looking at is the potential impact of the PR from having a team get up and leave a community which, whether St. Louis or San Diego, has really done a good job supporting it, with a very ardent firm base and set public support. Where does money factor into this? You are looking at a bunch of billionaires that are sitting around the room and playing, who has the most money. The money comes in because the minute picks up the team and moved to Los Angeles, the net value or worth of the team probably is about 50% more if he stays in San Diego, even if he gets a downtown stadium. So, in person -- in terms of net worth, you were talking about pretty good chunk of change. The question is, and I want to say this again, even though J, Q said you don't take it makes much difference, what difference can this town hall meeting make? Can you see it make a dent of any kind in the attitudes of the NFL people representatives that are there? Very minimum. I just think that it is a way to show that the NFL cares, and they do care about there fans, but they don't care about that as much as making money. You will get into the room of those billionaires and they will say, what can make us the most money. Not, did you hear the old lady from lemon Grove cried about the Chargers leaving. That is the gist of it. These guys are in the business to make money, and that franchises worth a lot more in Los Angeles as in San Diego. It is not really San Diego's fault, although there are plenty fingers to blame being pointed here. This franchise has been supportive pretty well and going on five decades. It is not so much that San Diego left the NFL, it's the NFL leaving San Diego. Just to be clear about the tech now -- technicalities involved around this town hall meeting, you have to have a ticket to get in, don't you? They said the season-ticket guy people would have preference. A couple of other people second. I fear that Jim has already secured a ticket. They are trying to get the fence touch -- which could also be a ploy. Is just half-baked. 80 by doing that passion of the fence, they can draw more city many. Maybe they can show how critical the Chargers are to the city that they can get more money. The NFL loves making money, and everything& As much, is have city governments pay for the stadiums. I want to explore something that Jim was saying about the three teams that want to move, there the Chargers, the readers, and the Rams. What are the chances that all three will be given the green light? I don't think all three will at all. I know it is a big market and six-time is big in San Diego, but three would be oversaturation -- especially starting fresh. Think it is more like musical chairs and there are two chairs and three people, and you have to be the right spot when the music stops. Okay. Say that is the Rams in the Chargers, the Rams have a place to go closer to LA, the old Hollywood Park Stadium right? Right. They want to move into Carson with the Raiders, so can I move into Carson alone if they give the go-ahead? I think I will be difficult for the Chargers to do that without a partner. I don't know that [ Indiscernible ] has the same resources that some of his fellow owners do. One of the ideas of him going into Carson and discussing a joint project with the readers was to have somebody to share the cost, not to mention also giving twice as much usage out of the facilities during football season. If I could interrupt, the NFL usually goes to the guy with the biggest pile of money, and the Chargers have been successful, and the readers as well. They are in the very low end of the NFL teams as far as the network, of the networks of the franchises. STEM Conkey, he is a big pile of cash as well. Also married into the Walmart family. I don't the key shops there, but I think he will take it manage of those revenues it possible. It is been reported, just background kind of stuff, that both Dean [ Indiscernible ] and St. Louis Rams owner [ Indiscernible ] say they have the votes to block each other from moving. Is that good news for the Chargers? For now, it would be good news. I honestly believe that there could be some litigation from [ Indiscernible ] side if in fact he is blocked by the NFL. But, this will be really -- a really interesting political negotiation that is going on behind the scenes. The owners are sitting there and deciding who they will side up to, because the NFL definitely wants to have a team there. If the Chargers have enough votes to block the Rams, and the Rams have enough to block the Chargers, the NFL is not getting what they want. They want to have a team in Los Angeles. I don't think that this will ever get to about. The NFL is very good holding consensus and having all this billionaire owners agree on the path going forward. They do want to look like they are fighting. They don't want to look like they are going against each other. Paperwork this out and write some big checks to make everybody happy. There is plenty of money in the pile. They will just give it up. Jim, this is an extraordinary situation -- three teams at the same time. How often do franchises live in the NFL? Not very often. You haven't seen would happen in a long, long time. Unless my history is incorrect, the Raiders were the last team to relocate when they went to Oakland from Los Angeles, and the Rams were the second last team to relocate when I went to St. Louis from Los Angeles. We are talking about something that has not happened for about 15 years or so, and prior to that, you are looking at Indianapolis Baltimore and Cleveland going to Baltimore. It is not a normal weight of they're doing business. The NFL has chosen when they want to have new cities, or open up new franchises to literally have a test create a new franchise. They have always been on the record that says that there goal was to support the franchise and have a vibrant and successful franchise in the host city. So, what is this moving mania, Jim? What is the common thread? Do all of these teams want new stadiums? Is almost the Stadium arms race purse once [ Indiscernible ] built the Stadium in Dallas which is a palace, the owners come there once a year to play the game, they have Stadium and the. You have Stadium in the it's all about revenue streams. A lot at a larger Stadium, you can charge more. It has pleasant suites as well, and you give up that money and revenue stays with the home team if you can get them in the Stadium club's. It is all about keeping up with the other owner. Is all about driving money, because of your making more money, your making more money from all the owners, not just yourself. Jim? I agree with what Jay said, but it is not just jury world. Every owner seems like they're getting new stadiums every 10 to 15, 20 years. When you look at how old is [ Indiscernible ], --? How old is reader Stadium? St. Louis is a news -- newer Stadium, but is still by standards old, and the best of the three probably [ Indiscernible ] is old, and there is clearly major repairs that would need to be done. Oakland Stadium is not a very nice stadium itself. Render -- remember, [ Indiscernible ] wasn't built [ Indiscernible ] Remember, the stadiums do not have a long life. The one in St. Louis is 20 years old, and they are already saying, tear it down. It is a dump. Be careful, if you were going to build something later, you can say this is obsolete and we need to charge the Stadium 2.0. Let's talk about the new stadium plans. There have been new reason to elements in the Stadium in San Diego. Governor Brown has developed fast-track status to any lawsuits that arise from the new stadium environmental impact reports. That was one of the objections that the Chargers had to the Mission Valley location. And, there is been a proposal for a initiative for a downtown Chargers Stadium. How significant, J, do you think these are? We go back to too little too late. The Chargers don't want to go to Mission Valley they have made that very clear. The quickie EIR that they talk about, even with the scrunched timeframe from the governor, that is still nine or 10 months it can be held up. They are saying that the train is going to LA. And we have to get on its. The downtown one, it comes down to financing and talking co-tellers to giving a piece of they're pie. Good luck with that. It comes down to them not wanting to stay on the bayfront with the convention center. That thing looks nice and classy, just like the video that Mr. [ Indiscernible ] did come about it comes down to money. San Diego citizens have proven time and again that they are very adverse to raising there taxes, especially for product let's face it, the Chargers have not been very good for a long time. That's a good point. Much of this effort about developing a Stadium plan this year, it is been rushed, and it seems slacked together by leaders. Wasn't there a better way to go about this? There probably was a better way to go do it, but the problem was the NFL 6 to 9 months ago basically said, we need to have a plan in place and have it by September, by the date they had imposed. Walton -- downtown little bit better alternative, there's no way that it can be pushed through that quickly. There were too many parameters that had to be addressed just for the plan itself. We aren't even talking about how much time it will be to do this about the measures and everything like that. You can do something at welcome quickly, if you get all the parties to sit down and discuss what they want to do and get the cup best cooperation to make it work. To help the NFL's self-imposed deadline, [ Indiscernible ] was clearly the way to go. The problem is, even four years ago, the Chargers were in love with [ Indiscernible ]. Four years later, they don't really want to be there. Okay, so my final question to both of you, let me start with you, Jim, do you think the NFL has Arty made its decision? Behind closed doors, I believe that they have made the decision. I think they want to be able to play off the process so the decision to play out and make it look like that it was a nice cooperative effort and the owners and are -- are in agreement. They are a major PR machine. They want to do something that not only gives the money, but makes the NFL look really, really good. But, I think 99.9% of the information has been collected. I don't think anything new will come out of tonight, and I think behind closed doors, the owners can tell you what is happening. And Jay? I agree that leads us back to tonight. They really want learn too much tonight. Like Jim says, this is a big PR friendly, and business if you will. I think they decided that they will go to LA. I am not quite sure if they know the particular dynamics. I think I circle back to Inglewood in the pile of cash that Mr. [ Indiscernible ] has he can build a palace there, and can build a NFL Disneyland of Southern California, if you will. He has the money, the land, and the team. Okay, the NFL hearing is from 7 to 10 at Spreckels Theater in downtown San Diego. I've been speaking with Jay Paris, and Jim Lackritz. Thank you very much. Rematch. I enjoyed being harassed.
UPDATE: 11:30 p.m. Oct. 28
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The NFL is hosting a public hearing at 7 p.m. Wednesday at the Spreckels Theater in downtown San Diego as part of its evaluation of the Chargers’ planned relocation to the Los Angeles area. Here are four things you should know ahead of the meeting:
• The NFL won’t be making any decisions about the Chargers’ quest to leave San Diego. While a team spokesman has confirmed the Chargers will apply to move to the L.A. suburb of Carson, that won't happen until January. The meeting is part of the NFL’s standard procedure when assessing whether to allow a team to change cities.
San Diego City Councilman Scott Sherman released a statement urging Chargers fans to attend the NFL hearing and protest outside the venue if they don’t have tickets. Skeptics like San Diego Union-Tribune sports columnist Nick Canepa, in contrast, said the meeting is a charade meant to give fans the illusion that the NFL cares about their opinions. Canepa's U-T colleague, Kevin Acee, agreed.
• The city shows no signs of abandoning its plan for a new Chargers stadium in Mission Valley, despite clear signals from the Chargers that the team doesn't like the plan. Gov. Jerry Brown recently approved the Mission Valley project for an expedited environmental review, which limits any potential lawsuits against the plan to a nine-month timeframe. The Chargers were unimpressed.
The city also released a flashy video, narrated by "San Diego resident and beloved sportscaster Dick Enberg," touting its own stadium plan. The city already spent $2.1 million on an environmental impact report for the project — money which Mayor Kevin Faulconer said would be "well spent." No word yet on how much the video cost.
• The NFL is hosting hearings in Oakland and St. Louis, too. The Oakland Raiders have teamed up with the Chargers to propose co-financing a stadium in Carson that the two would share, and the St. Louis Rams have a plan to build their own stadium in Inglewood. St. Louis is waging its own battle to keep the Rams from leaving, with somewhat more success than San Diego.
Here's how the St. Louis Post-Dispatch and Los Angeles Times covered the NFL's meetings in St. Louis:
Post-Dispatch: Emotional Rams fans plead case to NFL
Los Angeles Times: Angry, mournful fans in St. Louis give NFL officials an earful
• If the Mission Valley plan fails, there’s still a chance the Chargers might stay in San Diego. Public interest lawyer Cory Briggs last week unveiled a ballot initiative which, if it wins enough signatures, would give voters the chance to weigh in on a stadium project located downtown. The measure also involves raising taxes and expanding the San Diego Convention Center.