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Activists, Community Members, Teachers Ready For May Day Rally

Aired 4/30/12 on KPBS Midday Edition.

GUESTS:

Bill Freeman, President, San Diego Education Association

Michael Moody, with Activist San Diego

Transcript

May Day Rally-San Diego

May Day Rally - San Diego information

A large group of San Diego activists, union members, and students are expected to usher in the month of May tomorrow with a May Day rally in downtown San Diego. Organizers are calling for a general strike, no working, no school, no buying on May Day, in protest of cuts to schools and social services in California. It remains to be seen how many people will heed that call to action...but our guests will tell us why they think the rallies from City Hall to Chicano park are timely and necessary.

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Avatar for user 'benz72'

benz72 | April 30, 2012 at 1:42 p.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago

What???
The proposed response to a cut in school funding is to... not go to school on a day when it is still provided?
And they want to not buy anything... so that no sales taxes will be generated... which would help restore funding to the social services in some way?

Did I completely misread this article, or is this a simply asinine?

The recorded commentary wasn't much better. If you want corporations to care about green energy, start buying more green products. Don't stop buying products altogether.

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JeanMarc | April 30, 2012 at 2:25 p.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago

I heard this on the radio. One person said that the 1% needs to pay the 99% fair wages. Well guess what buddy... if you don't like the wages being offered, you do not have to work there. Do you really think someone who has no skill or education deserves as much pay as someone who is responsible for running a corporation?

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JohnL | April 30, 2012 at 4:43 p.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago

@JeanMarc I'm glad you're trying to stay more informed on these topics by listening to PBS,so you're saying that people shouldn't ask for fair wages for themselves and others,and If that's what they want and need they should not work?That doesn't seem very rational, saying teachers and many other workers have no skills or education?also implying that teachers and other workers demand tens of millions of dollars for a yearly salary,like someone responsible for running a corporation?

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gferry | April 30, 2012 at 10:28 p.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago

@benz72 Fine! Their methods are FUBAR. Now tell us your plan to improve education. At least they're trying something.

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benz72 | May 1, 2012 at 7:30 a.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago

Well gferry, really they aren't trying anything... that is what a strike is, a non-action. If they were trying something they’d be raising school funds with useful work.

Methods to improve education:

1) Determine requirements to complete each grade. Provide a nominal timeline for completion.
2) Redirect DoEd to supplement Wikitext or similar open source educational material until a full library of teaching material is supplied, thus reducing textbook cost. Also record and post the best lectures available on specific topics (q.v. khan academy).
3) Reprogram funding to provide terminal access at all libraries and schools. The terminals themselves can be surplus or donation level machines running OpenOffice or equivalent.
4) Iterate to identify weaknesses in the system and rectify.
Once the requirements are solid, the information is available and the connectivity exists to access it the education costs will plummet. Teachers will be able to target problems and assist more students who are working at their own pace instead of lecturing to them in bulk.
This also requires motivation and self-investment on the part of the students to be successful, but without that the current system produces poor quality results anyway.

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JeanMarc | May 1, 2012 at 11:34 a.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago

I just saw from my office a group of about 50 people marching down the street and yelling for some reason. What a silly joke. Everyone in these office buildings looking down on them thinks they are nuts.

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benz72 | May 1, 2012 at 12:48 p.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago

JohnL, I think we can all agree that people deserve fair wages. What we will have more trouble reaching consensus on is what the definition of "Fair" is.
For instance, from my perspective a fair price is that which the seller and purchaser can agree on. This agreement presumes that both parties are better off with the trade than without it.
Others claim (so I have observed, but do not understand) that there is an external measure of "Fair" and that price should be regulated for the benefit of one party over the other.
How do you define fair?

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Missionaccomplished | May 1, 2012 at 1:47 p.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago

@JEANMARC, so how do you feel about pro sports or film industry contracts?

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Missionaccomplished | May 1, 2012 at 1:47 p.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago

Haymarket--NEVER forget!

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benz72 | May 1, 2012 at 2:23 p.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago

Never forget that some anarchists bombed a protest rally, some police got shot and they hanged the perpetrators? Is there a specific point to your remembrance?

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JohnL | May 1, 2012 at 5:18 p.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago

Benz72, thanks for your thoughtful reply to my questions to the resident rightwing tro11 JM,I really like your ideas on improving education but this is a little off topic,as far a public school teachers or other Gov workers seller and purchaser doesn't apply. Do you not agree that that there are huge disparities among various Gov workers even within said fields?Some,like Firefighters and Teachers, who one could argue are some of the most important public servants there are,are paid pitiful poor, Not market competitive wages and can barely survive as a permanent underclass in an area of such extreme wealth as San Diego, should people not be able to Voice these concerns as provided by the US Constitution?

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JohnL | May 1, 2012 at 5:29 p.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago

@JeanMarc I thought you said you were moving to another country because there are people here you don't agree with, PD had some ideas

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benz72 | May 2, 2012 at 7:51 a.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago

JL, Everyone should be able to voice their concerns. To be effective though, they may want to think through proposed resolutions before engaging in discussion. Most protests sound like whining to me and, while I continue to be baffled by the stated expectations, I repeatedly fail to find a coherent plan in what I do manage to catch. 1e6 people shouting “I’m upset” is much less engaging to me than one or two calmly presenting a perceived problem, proposing a solution and debating the best way forward.

I am not an expert on wage scales of state and municipal workforces, but assume the numbers are publicly available. There very well could be a large difference in pay between them. If there is, I would expect the largest component of that price is the relation between the scarcity of the labor and the urgency of its procurement. In general, pay reflects the addition of value. If you want to be paid more, add more value. Are schools structured in a way that makes it difficult for an individual teacher to maximize the addition of value? Perhaps.
My mother was a kindergarten and primary school teacher before she retired. Most of what she described of her sounded more like babysitting than instruction. I wouldn't pay bulk babysitters much because they aren't adding much value. Maybe those services are more valuable to someone else, if so I'd be interested in an explanation of why.

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JeanMarc | May 2, 2012 at 8:27 a.m. ― 2 years, 5 months ago

MA - How do I feel about sports or movie contracts? Well... I am not sure where you are going with this, but I feel quite neutral. I think both parties agreed on the contract, so there is no problem with it. Just like when someone gets hired for a job, they get offered a salary, and they accept it and work. If they believe their time and/or effort is worth more than they are getting paid, then they can work somewhere else that is willing to pay them more...

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