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Government Shutdown To Close San Diego-Area Military Commissaries On Wednesday

Military commissary

Above: Military commissary

Military commissaries on Camp Pendleton, MCAS Miramar, and Naval Base San Diego will all close Wednesday because of the government shutdown.

Stateside commissaries are open today, according to the Defense Commissary Agency...

...to reduce the amount of perishables on-hand before beginning a systematic closure process to account for unsold products and secure facilities.

Overseas commissaries will remain open during the shutdown, says Joseph H. Jeu, DeCA director and CEO:

“We are acutely aware of the hardships placed on all our customers if we cannot deliver their commissary benefit. However, because of their geographic location, our service members and their families overseas have a more critical dependence on commissaries, and we are prepared to continue that support.”

Here are just a few of the MCAS Miramar facilities that will be closed during the government shutdown, according to the base's Facebook page:

-Swimming pool

-School liaisons

-Teen Center

-Youth sports

-Family readiness programs

-Library

-Career counseling

-Outdoor adventure center

For a list of services halted on Camp Pendleton by the shutdown, click here.

As far as Naval Base San Diego goes, here's a list of medical services on base impacted by...you guessed it...the shutdown:

ID Card Lab- CLOSED until further notice

Navy College- CLOSED until further noticed

Transportation Incentive Program- CLOSED until further notice

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CaliforniaDefender | October 1, 2013 at 3:26 p.m. ― 10 months ago

Oh no, they're going to have to shop at supermarkets with.... civilians! Oh the horror!

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sanderson | October 2, 2013 at 9:54 a.m. ― 10 months ago

CaliforniaDefender......
FYI- Active Duty Military do make the same amount of money as civilians, just incase you have been living under a rock for the last 20 years.

Commissary prices are a lot lower on a majority of everyday items. Yes, military families could shop around for lower priced items off base. However, this uses gas to shop from store to store to get lower prices.

Are you aware that some Military families are on food stamps and WIC because they do not have enough money to buy even those needed items? This is a crime, so while you sit there in your nice cozy home safe think about those families trying to make ends meet.

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CaliforniaDefender | October 2, 2013 at 11:42 a.m. ― 10 months ago

Sanderson,

That tired old line about low military pay is not true anymore. AD military makes more than civilians and according to the USDA, .0006% of the military is on food stamps. And how did that .0006% get on it anyway? Seems impossible.

A typical married Marine E-3 with 2 years of service:

Monthly Base Pay: $1899
Monthly Basic Allowance for Housing in San Diego: $1986 (tax free)
Monthly Basic Allowance for Subsistence: $352 (tax free)
Annual Clothing Allowance: $594 (tax free)

Annual total: $50,844 with the majority being completely tax free.

Plus free healthcare and taxpayer subsidized food, gas, entertainment, etc.

$50k a year is TOO MUCH for a 20 year old with just a high school diploma. In fact, it is ridiculous. I hope I miscalculated something.

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sanderson | October 2, 2013 at 4:21 p.m. ― 10 months ago

CA Defender....

These calculations are close. You are correct this is good pay for a 20 year old with NO children. Hopefully his/her spouse is also working. However if you add children to this pay it is greatly reduced either with child care or the wife/husband stays home. So this is where the commissary is needed.

Now lets move on to the housing allowance, $1986 is not a lot of money for southern CA. Great allowance if you are in a middle state! If you have children you want to live in an area that is safe and has good schools. In San Diego the options are slim. Military housing is always an option, the entire sum of allowance goes to them. However the wait to get into housing is sometimes long.

Lets not forget the long deployments and dangerous destinations that these men and women go to. $50,000 is hardly enough for the circumstances these folks deal with while being away and the thought of maybe not returning.

The tired old line about military pay being too low?? It is the truth, if you have a family (not a single guy) living in southern CA with military pay (only one parent working, because someone has to take care of he kids) you are by no means in the medium income.

So I guess it is safe to say you only believe someone with a college degree should be paid $50,000 a year. The kid that raised his right hand to protect your rights and freedoms should get much less? Sad.

Here is a thought: why do unemployment checks still go out during the government shutdown but people who actually go to work stop getting paid?? Wouldn't it make more sense to stop unemployment checks and still pay the workers at the commissary so the commissary can stay open for those people that need it the most.

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AFSpouseCivilServant | October 2, 2013 at 6:11 p.m. ― 10 months ago

CA DEFENDER?? When was the last time you went overseas to protect your country? When was the last time you came under fire by an enemy unit? We have brave people who need a bit of help caring for themselves and their families. Lots of enlisted people need this help. The workers at the commissaries are doing a service for our military. I think the commissaries stateside should have been kept open to allow the younger military folks a chance to buy food at a reasonable rate so that they do not have to go to food kitchens when their budget does not stretch far enough to carry through a two week period.

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ArchyFactBringer | October 3, 2013 at 11:10 a.m. ― 10 months ago

Couple of things:

An unmarried E2 with 2 years of service in not elligible for housing allowance. He/She would have to live in barracks.

The average unmarried, barracks-dwelling enlisted's BAS is automatically taken from their pay and given to Mess services.

All service members must maintain proper weight standards. Mess services tend to be heavy on carbs.

One complete working uniform without boots costs on average $125. AD must maintain 4, minimum, as well as predcribed service and dress uniforms.

Gas is not provided unless the service member is performing official duty in a governmemnt vehicle.

AD is a salary-based job. Working hours are a suggestion, so if 50k seems like too much for a twenty-year-old averaging 60 hours or more a week, I may have to think you are wrong, CADefender.

(Pardon any typos, please. This was sent from a phone.)

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CaliforniaDefender | October 3, 2013 at 12:37 p.m. ― 10 months ago

Sanderson,

I'm sorry, but I completely disagree. The median per capita income for San Diego is $30,482. The average rent is $1,277. For someone in an entry-level manual labor job, 50k a year is more than enough to live VERY well, even with a family.

This is why the US spends $1.4 trillion on defense which is a massive 8.9% of GDP. That is insane and doing FAR more harm than good to every American...and the world.

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CaliforniaDefender | October 3, 2013 at 1:13 p.m. ― 10 months ago

AFSpouseCivilServant,

Your comment that military personnel are going to food kitchens is unsubstantiated. Even with a family of 4, you can survive on 50k...and eat very well. Federal poverty threshold for a family of 4 is $23,550. While that number is too low in my opinion, the average E-3 is making DOUBLE that. You need to speak with families that actually are poverty stricken for a reality check.

ArchyFactBringer,

Ok, now we're talking about an E-2 living on base for free with virtually no living expenses and you're complaining they get too many carbs in the mess? Must be nice to have that concern. As I told the lady above, speak with families in poverty for a reality check.

Going back to the typical E-3, yes, 50k for even 60 hours a week is too much. Millions of Americans work just as long, if not more, for much less.

It is time we draw down the military and come out of this 1950's mentality. America will drown in debt if we don't.

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ArchyFactBringer | October 3, 2013 at 8:32 p.m. ― 10 months ago

You are missing the point.

E2's don't make 50k.

How do I know? Because I don't.

If you want a better picture of things, do a minimum enlistment yourself. If you think it's still unfair in comparison, then get on your soap box continue.

My issue with messing is this: the nutrition just isn't there. It's healthier to buy food on your own. CombinedThe commissary helps, yes, but honestly, it's cheaper to buy from a super center or Sam's. The whole program shutting down means that a lot of jobs are lost. Which spirals the local economy downward. It's more than the military losing their "private grocery store." Try to see the bigger picture.

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benz72 | October 4, 2013 at 11:25 a.m. ― 10 months ago

CD, not trying to shift your opinion, just an FYI.
When I shop at the commisary a good portion (about a third to a half) of the people I see there are clearly retired. Part of their retirement compensation is paid as access to those subsidized groceries. In some sense, removing that access is reneging on that deal.

I do not disagree with your assessment of the dangers of debt or the effect our current level of DoD expenditure has on it, though there are certainly other things we spend great deals of money on that I consider less worthwhile.

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CaliforniaDefender | October 4, 2013 at 11:47 a.m. ― 10 months ago

Archy,

E2s make $1699 a month. But they have few living expenses with free housing, food, uniforms, etc. Plus they know they're going to get a big guaranteed pay raise soon. How many civilians can say that?

As for food, from what I know of base chow halls, they all make a good effort to offer a healthy option. Sure they're mostly full of junk, but those who want to eat healthy can.

You also made my point with places like Costco and Sam's. They're cheaper and higher quality. Commissaries are also bad for California as they don't pay sales taxes to the state. They are also more of a drain on the local economy taking customers from regular supermarkets and preventing further shopping at nearby stores.

That is the bigger picture.

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CaliforniaDefender | October 4, 2013 at 11:58 a.m. ― 10 months ago

benz72,

Sorry I missed your post and you do make a good point. But deal or not, sometimes things need to change. The subsidy is really not that much different from a purchase at a supermarket sale. But the negative impact to the local economy and the federal debt is substantial.

$17 trillion debt means everyone needs to wean themselves off the federal government.

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sdreefer21 | October 4, 2013 at 1:35 p.m. ― 10 months ago

Defender what is your annual income? What is your zip code? What is your rank and profession? How much do you pay for your housing? If you wanna call them out, compare yourself to them.

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CaliforniaDefender | October 4, 2013 at 2:25 p.m. ― 10 months ago

Reefer,

My income, rank, and profession? What are we playing POW and interrogator now?

I use real income data from millions of other people to compare standards of living between civilians and the military. If you truly examine it without the "military gets whatever they want, no questions" attitude, you'll see the data doesn't lie and the military is overpaid, overpopulated, and the #1 factor that is sinking this country.

We just can't afford a Cold War-style military anymore. Period.

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sdreefer21 | October 4, 2013 at 2:50 p.m. ― 10 months ago

No, neither. I think you are a keyboard coward. If you want to criticize a pay rank then display yours. Or sit down and and remain a coward.

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CaliforniaDefender | October 4, 2013 at 4:25 p.m. ― 10 months ago

I don't make much, reefer. Just middle class and working hard to get by. I know my experience is common amongst many, but so many more have it much harder.

We need to concentrate on our society, infrastructure, and economy for the rest of the 21st Century. Million man armies and all the support, logistics, supply, and money they require belong in the 20th Century.

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sdreefer21 | October 4, 2013 at 11:52 p.m. ― 10 months ago

Begging the question much coward? You ever been in harms way at your job? Society is about being a good neighbor. Telling someone they make too much and how much they should be able to live off is anything but. That was an arrogant and weak comment. The fact that you are willing to publicly examine a salary, housing benefit, and food benefit and decry its waste but not divulge your own situation shows you are a coward and weak. Weak minded and just a guess weak in the arms. I'll bet u don't have a single callous on your hands from swinging a tool or lugging gear. Back to my point though. Answer the question or go tell a grunt what u think to their face. I would love to be there ads you are served an appropriate response.

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tokyo | October 6, 2013 at 8:30 a.m. ― 9 months, 4 weeks ago

Listen up everyone. I am sick of all you civilians poking fun of us military wives.
My husband is a Staff SGGT. and he is deployed to Afganistan. It's his third tour over there and I am home alone in base housing with 4 screaming kids and a two Pit Bulls.
He is gone for 6 months leaving me with nothing to do all day except post ads on Craigslist in the Casual Encounters section under BBW looking for a playmate.
I always shop at the Base Commissary because they sell YO YO's, Pepsi, Cheetos, Ding Dongs and now they got Twinkie's back.
They even got Papa John's Pizza.
I save a lot of money there and even have enough saved up or a new Tattoo and that Platinum Nose Ring I always wanted like my neighbor Shirley has.
I was even thinking about getting a tattoo for my kid Cody. Maybe a big Marine Corps Emblem on his forehead to make his daddy proud when he comes home.
How do you civilians expect us to get by on enlisted pay and keep driving our new Lincoln Navigator and pay for my husbands new Ninja if they keep the commissaries closed.
You people are really something. You need to get a life....
Out, an enlisted wife at Pendleton

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thompsonrichard | October 6, 2013 at 5:57 p.m. ― 9 months, 4 weeks ago

San Diego Vets such as myself benefit from the VA benefits which result from a huge savings under a single-payer system. California Defender ~ you've done a great job here. Fifty-five percent of officers are allowed to retire at half pay after 200 years of service. The three service academies have alumni in the very top rung of colleges -- ranking with MIT, Harvard, Princeton, Stanford and Yale -- in both earnings and overall net worth. There is an effort among 20-years-old Southern Baptist chaplains who graduate from a 2-year seminary to evangelize against muslims and refuse to perform same-sex marriages. They wear gold braid and insist only those who accept a certain text and "know" Jesus get into heaven whether they commit suicide, die in a car crash, or are killed in Afghanistan by a Hellfire Missile fired from a Predator drone manufactured in San Diego (I attended Ben Rast's memorial service at Balboa Naval Hospital).

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Gatornavy | October 7, 2013 at 11:36 a.m. ― 9 months, 3 weeks ago

Aww stick it “CaliforniaDefender”! “Defender”! LMAO! What would you know about it? As if you have ANY clue as to the meaning defending anything. Self-appointed, internet town criers like you wouldn’t have a California to "defend" if not for those of us and the generations of those before us who had the testicular fortitude to stand up and fight for pathetic, spineless, weakling weasels such as yourself. $50K is cheap! Your math is NOT accurate because you don’t understand how military pay and benefits work because you have never served IN the military. So, your utter ignorance aside, OUR tax dollars fetch a LOT of bang for the buck. These kids are willing to TRADE THEIR LIVES for whatever meager salary Uncle Sam deems adequate. They are willing to trade their lives FOR YOU dip-squat. The really sad part is; smug little fairies such as yourself with nothing better to do than spew your goat smelling UNINFORMED opinions hatched from places of ZERO EXPERIENCE while sipping your pinot noire in the cozy comfort of your Barcalounger are the very butt-wipes they are sworn to defend. The same thing always comes to mind whenever I hear from idiots like you. I always have the same thought; if you don’t like your tax dollars going to pay for Airman Joey and Lance Corporal Jenny, PLEASE renounce your US citizenship and immigrate to another country where they DON’T PAY the "military". Instead, they force 12 year olds kids from their homes in the middle of the night and “press” them into “service” at gun point. Kidnapped children become slaves to whatever war lord happens to be in power that day. Young people in other places around the globe become “child soldiers”; often controlled by drug addiction and coerced into to committing unimaginable acts of violence against ordinary, everyday people. Why don’t you try immigrating to Kenya, Somalia, Afghanistan, Iran, Columbia, or Libya? I’m sure your First Amendment Rights will be so much more protected and revered there than here in the “Republic of California”. As a side note; I absolutely, positively, 100% agree that 25% is TOO MUCH of OUR tax dollars to pay for national defense. You see, WE, those of us serving or who have served in the armed forces of these United States, ALSO PAY TAXES, you dummy! However, salaries for uniformed personnel are but a fraction of where all that money goes. But that is a different topic altogether and one that I am wholly uninterested in discussing with the likes of you. By the way; you’re welcome.

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CaliforniaDefender | October 7, 2013 at 12:41 p.m. ― 9 months, 3 weeks ago

Nothing but insults and nonsense from those who benefit from the military-industrial complex. No surprise.

When faced with a rational argument that challenges their thinking, they get angry. They simply don't know how else to respond because they think their patriotism is being challenged when it isn't. What is being challenged is what they do with their patriotism.

Thankfully more and more people are standing up and questioning the need for a million-man military. We MUST for one reason that can't be ignored any longer:

$17 trillion debt.

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sdreefer21 | October 7, 2013 at 2:37 p.m. ― 9 months, 3 weeks ago

You conceded when you decided to tee off on a group of people but refused to expose yourself.

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Gatornavy | October 7, 2013 at 3:01 p.m. ― 9 months, 3 weeks ago

"those who benefit from the military-industrial complex." Oh, then you must be referring to the nonsense you yourself are spewing. Part of my point exactly you boob. YOU benefit from "the complex". If you were born a US citizen, then YOU have benefitted since the day you were born. You benefit from it now and you will benefit from it every day and for the rest of your pointless life or for as long as you CHOOSE to retain your United States citizenship. Without "it", you would not be free to run your suck in here or anywhere else in the nation. Idiot. The $17 trillion debt is not result of paying our men and women in uniform. It is the result of the callous and careless "use" of them in 2 (recent) wars that NO ONE, not even those morons in congress, voted for. Those of us who serve or who have served do not have the luxury of asking "why" or "opting out" based on personal beliefs. Speaking strictly for myself, what I take offense at is your unquestioning willingness to completely disregard the simple fact that WE are part of YOU. We are your neighbors. We work. We pay taxes. We vote. We love and raise our families. We prop up the economy. PLUS, we are willing to GIVE OUR LIVES for all of that AND jerks like you who won't lift a finger to actually participate. You would rather just sit on the sidelines whining and moaning about the economy and the sad state of world affairs. Have you ever paused to consider the possibility that WE (those of us "who benefit from the military industrial complex") are also pissed off about the $17 trillion debt? Of course you haven't. You are too ignorant and closed minded to consider military people as PEOPLE first. News flash: This country is bleeding $$$ from every orifice. But simpletons like you would rather blame one easy target, your “military industrial complex”,because that is the EASY thing to do. And yes, the side effect is pissing off a lot of people, BETTER people than yourself, who will continue to do that which is necessary to keep you safe because you, weather I like it or not, are my brother. Acknowledge that fact or don't. I would not care either way. However, when you, and your like minded lefty loonies, start taking verbal pot shots at America's sons and daughters who go into harm’s way FOR YOU every single freaking day - while surviving hardships and atrocities that you cannot even begin to imagine - yes, I get angry. Golly gee whiz, what a shocker! Simple minds would rather seek simple solutions. What a shame and worse, why we are in the financial mess that we are in as a nation. YOU are part of this problem. Stop pointing your finger. Here's another "oh, by the way"; the "reduction in force" is here, now, today, as it is following every major military conflict since the beginning of US military conflicts. Tap your little digits in Google and see for yourself. Major personnel cutbacks began kicking in 3-4 years ago and they are ongoing now. Dummy, what are you bitching about?

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Missionaccomplished | October 8, 2013 at 8:36 a.m. ― 9 months, 3 weeks ago

SANDERSON, I once read a post about how people in the military, navy and marines for San Diego, have many cases of friends marrying friends simply for the much coveted benefits. Now, wil the blow to Prop 8, it will become EVEN MORE common. Will you deny this happens in the military?

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Missionaccomplished | October 8, 2013 at 8:39 a.m. ― 9 months, 3 weeks ago

AFSPOUSEUNCIVILSERVANT, please DO explain how one "protects" our country overseas??? The country is defended here on the continent, not overseas. That's part of the problem.

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Missionaccomplished | October 8, 2013 at 8:58 a.m. ― 9 months, 3 weeks ago

No way defending CA offender, although he may be ill-informed or just plain wrong on matters of ethnic diversity and immigraiton, at least he is against spending and waste ACROSS the board, not making exceptions for LE and the military like most right wingers. That is consistent and is more than I can say for the Duncan Hunter Jr types.

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Missionaccomplished | October 8, 2013 at 9:46 a.m. ― 9 months, 3 weeks ago


@TOKYO, yeah , they weren't kidding about the carbs! LOL

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CaliforniaDefender | October 8, 2013 at 11:37 a.m. ― 9 months, 3 weeks ago

Mission,

Thanks for acknowledging my consistency. While we do spar on most other issues, I think we have some common ground on the most important one.

For just one slice of how out of control military spending is, just look at 2013 US discretionary spending:

http://california.justicepartyusa.net/files/208501_208600/208590/proposed-discretionary-spending-type-5.jpg

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Missionaccomplished | October 8, 2013 at 11:56 a.m. ― 9 months, 3 weeks ago

@Navygator, answer thompsonrichards.

b) Do yo umean like REMFS?

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thompsonrichard | October 8, 2013 at 12:21 p.m. ― 9 months, 3 weeks ago

I do applaud your consistency and truthfulness, California Defender!

United States Naval Academy at Annapolis~
$77,100 after graduation (undergraduate students make less)
$131,000 (mid-career earnings per year)

No other institution comes close, except #2 Westpoint.

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Gatornavy | October 8, 2013 at 1:52 p.m. ― 9 months, 3 weeks ago

Just to be clear, here is what initiated this entire thread:

CaliforniaDefender | October 1, 2013 at 3:26 p.m. ― 6 days, 21 hours ago
"Oh no, they're going to have to shop at supermarkets with.... civilians! Oh the horror!"

(Side note: I and many of "us nasty military types" shop at Ralphs, Vons, Fresh & Easy and other stores on a weekly basis and all without looking at you NON-military "types" with contempt or annoyance or thinking to ourselves, "Oh God, how I HATE shopping here surrounded by all these....these....CIVILIANS. Unclean! Unclean! I need a shower!!!")

A juvenile, snide, unnecessary, misdirected, clearly angry and clearly for the sake of attempting some level of sarcastic anti-establishment humor directed at, who knows who; the most junior enlisted folks who are just trying to make ends meet? HARDLY an intelligent, thoughtful way to begin a meaningful conversation about defense overspending, a dialogue in which I would happily participate were there any intelligent, thoughtful, genuinely concerned and half-way informed “liberals” to engage with. I typed the word “liberals” this way to express purposeful contempt in kind.

I am SICK to my stomach with you A55H0Le snobby “liberals” and your senseless, crappy, derogatory, contemptuous, discriminatory attitudes towards everyone and everything even remotely associated with the US military, which is the only government organization designed, built and maintained from the ground up by your fellow citizens since the VERY BEGINNINGS of our nation with the EXPRESS purpose of protecting you, us and our way of life. Honestly, I don't understand where this contempt comes from. Is it some form of misdirected jealousy? Do all of you walk around all day with some kind of inferiority complex because you've never been challenged or have always failed to overcome the personal challenges in your own lives? Really, what is it? What bug crawled up your collective rectum and has you all in such a tizzy?

Again, for the sake of clarity, this “dialogue”, if we can call it such, began with a crappy dig at people who clearly care more about you and our nation than any of you do. CADef, you are weak and thoughtless. You do not care about run away government spending. You just look for places in cyberspace where you can thumb your nose at what you perceive to be the same bullies who beat you up during 3rd period in the 8th grade (which 99% of us who serve are NOT) or simply as an outlet for your own misdirected angst at leading such a “wussified” existence. I am done with you..

HOWEVER, if anyone reading this has an intelligent, informed opinion to share concerning runaway defense spending, I will happily engage and, to the shock of some, probably agree on many levels with “left leaning” folks. Having served in uniform for 26+ years and STILL working within DOD, I have some idea of just how pervasive runaway spending really is.

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sdreefer21 | October 8, 2013 at 2:36 p.m. ― 9 months, 3 weeks ago

Yes you should of read what instigated this cyber punch to the face of ca-defender. Instead of bro hugging it out on a misdirection play to side step his dumb as shoot comment.

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ArchyFactBringer | October 8, 2013 at 8:43 p.m. ― 9 months, 3 weeks ago

I really think paychecks are the least of the issue. Less than 1% of the American population is in the active duty military. Less than 10% are veterans. Less than 2% are veteran officers.

If those numbers seem a little too high, don't worry. 20% of suicides committed in the US are former service members. Probably over shame due to unfair pay compared to the private sector. Because there's no way their service left deep-seated emotional scars.

Honestly, I think the military should create stronger recycling program. The money that could be saved on brass casings and fittings alone would be tremendous.

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Missionaccomplished | October 8, 2013 at 9:10 p.m. ― 9 months, 3 weeks ago

@NAVYGATOR, Offender is not a liberal, he is an anti-tax extremist. Hence his position on this issue.

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ArchyFactBringer | October 8, 2013 at 9:21 p.m. ― 9 months, 3 weeks ago

He's got to hate that the police budget comes from state taxes, and that the average police officer in the state of California makes an about 90k a year, with police chiefs and captains bringing in 6 figures.

Personally, I think they earned it, but maybe it's too much for the job.

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benz72 | October 9, 2013 at 7:26 a.m. ― 9 months, 3 weeks ago

GN, That level of vitriol is unlikely to convince anyone we are taking the high road. Look at the bright side though, we don't have the "Dogs & sailors keep off grass" signs any more, nor the mods of hippies screaming "Baby Killer" or similar.
In general the public is much more supportive than when my dad was in. This is hardly a low point for us in history. There are also very legitimate concerns about the budget we consume.
Not everyone agrees with us, but CD really isn't our enemy. Please save your welldeck voice for screaming over LCAC noise and present a calm and reasoned rebuttal to statements with which you disagree.

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Gatornavy | October 9, 2013 at 8:20 a.m. ― 9 months, 3 weeks ago

Archy, which is where I wanted to go but got sidetracked. Paychecks are NOT the issue here.

Benz, perhaps I chastized him a tad too vehemently? Nah, not really. Maybe it was his attempt at humor or maybe not. Either way, not funny in light of the shutdown which is directly impacting many of us in our wallets. Perhaps you are not affected. Many of us are and it is far more serious to those of us living under the threat of missed mortgage payments. I have junior enlisted neighbors who count on the commissary so we had them over for extra meals last week. Hence my extreme sensitization to "John Q Public" who has ZERO practical knowledge of the subject but chooses to poke fun at it. I make no apologies for my welldeck voice. Besides, I'm perfectly calm..."calmer than you are".

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Peking_Duck_SD | October 9, 2013 at 9:51 a.m. ― 9 months, 3 weeks ago

Gatornavy:
I am SICK to my stomach with you A55H0Le snobby “liberals” and your senseless, crappy, derogatory, contemptuous, discriminatory attitudes towards everyone and everything even remotely associated with the US military, which is the only government organization designed, built and maintained from the ground up by your fellow citizens since the VERY BEGINNINGS of our nation

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I find it curious that you are so offended by broad, crude swipes at military folk, yet you have no problem making broad, crude swipes at liberals.

Many liberals support the troops, an many conservatives are the ones responsible for sending you into UNNECESSARY conflicts.

Let's not forget one war that was indeed critical for our survival as a nation WWII, was led by liberal F.D.R. despite conservatives of the time not wanting our involvement.

CADefenders comment, as I take it, was not meant to offend those serving our country. It's meant to point out the hypocritical politicians who claim they want to reduce the deficit but they never want to put military spending on the table.

Many things are critical as need funding - education, domestic infrastructure, healthcare, entitlements, military benefits. It's a important, but many politicians make military spending out to be the lone sacred cow while they want to take a hatchet to everything else.

That's not right.

Defense is critical, definitely, but a strong defense and weak everything else does not a prosperous and pleasant country make.

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benz72 | October 9, 2013 at 10:39 a.m. ― 9 months, 3 weeks ago

PDSD "Many things are critical as need funding - education, domestic infrastructure, healthcare, entitlements, military benefits."

Reasonable arguments can be made that some of those other items you listed do not have the urgency of funding the armed forces. Debates about degrees of funding and targeting of funding aside, there is some inherent priority to enumerated national responsibilities over entitlements. At some point a safe but unpleasant country is preferable to the other alternatives.

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Peking_Duck_SD | October 9, 2013 at 11:12 a.m. ― 9 months, 3 weeks ago

Benz, you are correct to bring up "degree" of funding.

Part of the problem with defense spending is that it's been so overblown for so long that there is a new "normal ".

We could eliminate a lot of defense spending and still remain the world'd largest military power by far.

Any little cut in spending and the media blows up and there's all this political pressure to say anyone who cuts spending even a little "don't support our troops" so the powers that be just cowardly keep irresponsibly funneling in money because they are afraid of a backlash.

I'm not sure I agree with your last statement.

You can barracade yourself in your house as surround it with and guards and moats and make it as secure is possible and never leave, by what kind I life is that?

Isn't the point of having the greatest military on earth to protect the greatest country in earth??

If our nation goes to pot, then what exactly are we defending?

North Korea is an example, albeit an extreme one, but an example nonetheless of a country that spends all it's money on defense and does not invest in its people and certainly doesn't invest in entitlements or safety nets for the people.

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benz72 | October 9, 2013 at 12:32 p.m. ― 9 months, 3 weeks ago

PDSD, it is good that we can find common ground.

The point of having protection is to be free from outside threats. The military is not empowered to undertake the threats we bring on ourselves (like the debt). There are scenarios where it would be important to prioritize defense against invasion over entitlements.

In a similar vein, we could eliminate a lot of the entitlement program funding without actually having mass starvation and a lot of the medical grants without a statistically significant change in death rate or average lifespan.

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CaliforniaDefender | October 9, 2013 at 3:59 p.m. ― 9 months, 3 weeks ago

ArchyFactBringer,

San Diego Police are paid between $54,000 and $76,000 a year. http://www.sandiego.gov/police/recruiting/benefits.shtml

And worth every penny. In fact we should pay them six figures considering the extreme mental and physical duties that are place on them and their critical role in maintaining a functioning society.

Mission,

I'm not anti-tax. I'm anti-tax misuse. I also believe that the more local taxation and spending takes place, the more accountable and effective it is.

Duck,

"Isn't the point of having the greatest military on earth to protect the greatest country in earth??

If our nation goes to pot, then what exactly are we defending?"

Very well said! You should copyright that as a slogan. And you are spot on in identifying the meaning of my 1st post.

Benz,

I agree that entitlement spending can also be cut without disrupting our society. But considering that fact that not one nation on Earth that has the ability to invade us actually wants to, the priority should be cutting military spending first.

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ArchyFactBringer | October 9, 2013 at 10:25 p.m. ― 9 months, 3 weeks ago

"ArchyFactBringer,

San Diego Police are paid between $54,000 and $76,000 a year. http://www.sandiego.gov/police/recruiting/benef...And worth every penny. In fact we should pay them six figures considering the extreme mental and physical duties that are place on them and their critical role in maintaining a functioning society."

You're hilarious.

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Gatornavy | October 10, 2013 at 9 a.m. ― 9 months, 3 weeks ago

Duck, I find it equally curious that you completely ignore the FIRST post, which ignited my outrage AND the subsequent broad, crude, swipes at the military by others in here (most of which were rooted in complete ignorance yet presented with an arrogant and elitist tone).
Before calling “foul” on me for defending myself and my brothers and sisters in uniform against a direct and deliberate attack on our character, why don’t you go back to the instant replay (above) and review “his” first post and others. I made broad, crude, generalizations in kind. Stated another way, kiss my A55. How is that for a “high road” response?
Duck, now that I have dispensed with the pleasantries, I would like to address a statement made by you. I AGREE 100% with: “We could eliminate a lot of defense spending and still remain the world's largest military power by far."
Furthermore, I submit that we (as a nation) could eliminate a lot of federal spending across the board while improving the standard of living for many if not all Americans.
While it is no secret that DOD represents a tremendous drain on our national coffers, I know (fact) DOD is not the “Lone Ranger”. I know the "golden rule" of federal spending. Here it is:
"Thou shall spend every last penny from thy annual budget OR thou shall receive less money for next year’s annual budget."
The “golden rule” governs our entire federal fiscal system. And it just gets worse. From personal experience over nearly 30 years in DOD service; all year, we need stuff to do our mission. All year, we try to buy said stuff but the holders of the purse strings will press the "stop spending" button from time to time. Some of this stuff, you have to get while the getting is good. When the "off button" is pressed, you can’t get it. Near the end of the fiscal year (August-September time frame), the holders of the purse strings start freaking out over having too much money left over.
Now, a responsible adult would invest any "left over" money in a savings account, or a CD or gamble it on the open market in hopes of making it grow. But your Uncle Sam does not work that way. Your Uncle Sam says "SPEND, SPEND, SPEND”! It does not matter that you can't spend the money on the stuff you originally needed. That stuff had to be purchased with funds from a specific "pot" of money. The pot you NEEDED to be full is now empty but there is this other pot, or multiple pots, that contain a surplus. So your uncle says spend THAT money on stuff weather you need the stuff or not because, if you don't, the "master pot" won't be as full next FY. So, big money gets dumped on nonsense each and every year.
Why our Uncle can't be responsible by taking all that end-of-year money back and investing it in the 17 trillion debt is beyond my ability to understand. I say again, this is NOT a problem exclusive to DOD. This is our federal tax dollars at work. It makes me just as angry as anyone else because I ALSO PAY TAXES.

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